Recording dry and adding effects later?

[sobert]

This might be a stupid question but I am new and so here goes... I'm using the Line 6 edition with Gearbox and I would like to record mostly a dry signal and add in some of the Gearbox effects (amps/cabs/etc.) after recording. Can I do this with Riffworks and Gearbox or do I need some thing else?

Thx in adv.

[ShredRex]

If you are going to add effects after recording the layer and/or riff.......you would have to apply them in RW.

[scott]

I think you can apply the amp modelling to a pre-recorded signal by re-routing it from RiffWorks back through your Line6 device. I know some of the others in the forum have used this method.
Other than that, like Shred says, use the fx in RW to add to individual layers or across riffs (including the Instant Drummers).

[epauley]

Scott,

Do you know how this re-routing technique is accomplished?

[ShredRex]

What I want to know is there really an advantage is doing that re-routing bit compared to using the effects in RW. I personally record wet.....and roll with it. I have tried recording dry and adding stuff after but never really got what I was looking for........interesting to hear the other possibilities.

Some of you guys are pretty darn clever........I didn't even know you could do that. LOL

[scott]

I have to admit that, like Shred, I struggle to see how applying fx post-record as opposed to pre-record gives you any advantage. However, although I've never tried it, I believe you can take the signal from the back of your PC (digital I/O or speaker out) and shove it back through your Line6 device - basically treating the recorded signal in the same way as a 'live' one (hence the question as to why do it?)

Some of the 'clever guys' will put me right on this one!

[gatorjj]

Scott, I think it depends on "what" you are recording. For guitars, other than reverb and compression I'd go with the sound you like. For vocals, I usually record them dry, bass as well. At the end you want it to all "fit" in the mix and a little reverb here, a little compression there help that. If it's in the signal chain at the start, there's no undoing it and it can make mixing more difficult. Doesn't mean it's wrong, just that some decisions should be made up front and some left for the end.

The 'clever guys' will be the ones that try lots of things, make lots of mistakes, and learn lots about what works and what doesn't!

[scott]

Hey JJ,
From the man who mastered Chip's solo CD, I bow before your expertise and knowledge.
I wasn't suggesting anyone who used post fx was wrong - hell, I use 'em too! I just couldn't see the advantage in re-routing a signal back through the same fx you bypassed the first time!:)

(I'll consider myself 'clever' based on your description - especially the "lots of mistakes"!)

[gatorjj]

You're very clever, Starchild! I don't know if I should be bowed before, maybe just kiss my ring Now that would be funny!

The reason to do this is to be risk averse, you leave all the decisions to the end. Sounds great but for a lot of people I think it adds to the difficulty. At the end you're trying to make things fit together and you're left more variables to deal with.

I've never re-amped but it would be fun to play with. I think there's actually a technique posted here somewhere to route it internally, saving the looparound technology.

Nothing wrong with it, any way you go! We all find our way to go, and it's the end result that counts!

J.J.

[ShredRex]

Nothing wrong with it, any way you go! We all find our way to go, and it's the end result that counts!

J.J.

AMEN BROTHER!

[scott]

Pucker up JJ!!!

[Timejunkie]

If I may offer my 2 cents...I usually record pretty much dry and add effects later.

I would want to waste a magic moment with the wrong delay or reverb. If anything I may record some of the bed track guitars with a little reverb but that's about it.

I guess like evryhting else in music...it is personal preference and there really is no right or wrong.

Cheers,
Chip

[epauley]

Okay, I understand how you add effects after recording dry. I usually do a combination of both – utilize pre and post recording effects.

Currently, I have two programs: GearBox and RiffWorks Standard. I route my guitar, bass and keyboard (very limited and select bits) through GuitarPort.

With this combination, I can only add effects during the post-recording phase using RiffWorks.

I don’t see any way of introducing GearBox amps, cabs or effects after recording. Seems rather restrictive to forego the variety of effects, amps and caps offered – particularly after purchasing model packs. Of course, personal choice and style of music always comes into play.

Am I missing a trick here?

[jisg]

I found this on the Line6 site:
There is a setting for "Re-amp" you have to change in the POD USB driver console.
Here it is:
Go to the control panel on your computer and click on POD XT. Select "Send Clean Guitar and Re-amp Playback". When you record you will hear the guitar through the POD XT, but it will record clean. After you record select "Send Reamp Playback." Then hit "solo" on your recording software on the track that you recorded and hit "record" on another track. You can then change the amps and effects while it is playing back and being recorded on the other track.
give it a try

[GuitarSlinger]

To me re-amping seems more of a pain than re-recording, apart from delays and reverbs and post effects. Also Riffworks is not set-up for it apart from the Riffworks effects. If I really wanted to re-amp with my Toneport I would buy the VST's and export a dry track from Riffworks and into another program. It seems to me that if you need to change the tone though, you probably need to also change the performance.