Rebirth

[DaFreak]

I just discovered that this program features a drum machine and is free to download (I also discovered an old twilight CD from where I can install it without downloading). Does it work with riffworks? If it does, how does it work, can I make a drum pattern that I like and put it into a riff in riffworks or does it work differently? If someone knows, I'd appreciate any information, because I have been looking for a way to make my own drum beats that fit with the riffs I'm playing for a while, so that I can put an extra aspect of creativity and coherence into my songs. Since this program is free and also has an immense number of add-ons (refills it's called I believe), it would be a dream come true. I've experimented with the instantdrummer and with Rex2 loops, but it's just not the same as when you can make the drums completely by yourself.

[camaro24gold]

ReBirth is an old and "discontinued" Propellerheads program. I don't think it works under ReWire but I could be wrong on that *(which I am...check below). I have never used ReBirth.
These links should be a good place for further research:
http://www.propellerheads.se/register/ (enter Rebirth in search dialog box)
http://www.rebirthmuseum.com/
Refills are for Propellerheads Reason and they make a ReBirth refill for Reason.

*Update:
Okay....found this about ReBirth at Propellerheads:"ReBirth RB-338/ReWire 1/Synth application" Sonoma Wire Works (RiffWorks) is listed as a ReWire 2 application.
http://www.propellerheads.se/technologies/rewire/index.cfm

[DaFreak]

Thanks for the info, I found this bit of text on one of the pages:

"You can route MIDI from the mixer application to the synth application (requires that both applications support ReWire 2)"

In this context, it would appear to me that for 2 programs to work together in ReWire, the versions don't have to match, so I should be able to use Riffworks (ReWire 2) together with Rebirth (ReWire 1), but I just won't be able to use features that only ReWire 2 supports, right? In that case I should be able to make a drum beat/synthesizer riff in Rebirth, and rewire it to Riffworks to a layer in a riff, or does the ReWire function in Riffworks work differently?

[camaro24gold]

You will have to experiment on that, I don't know.....but keep us posted. Maybe somebody else here has some input.
Heck...Propellerheads is giving it (ReBirth) away now so at least it won't cost anything

[DaFreak]

Yeah that's exactly what I thought. I don't have money to buy expensive drumming machines, and I don't have the bandwidth (uni connection) to illegally download one, so when I discovered the rebirth museum I saw a great opportunity. I am at home now, where I have an uberslow laptop where I don't have riffworks, but I go back to my dorm room tomorrow, so if I find the time, I'll install Rebirth and test if I can use it as a drum machine in combination with riffworks. I'll keep you guys posted, because if it works, I think everybody should know this. I mean, the instantdrummers are quite good, and loops can be convenient too, but I think that a lot of people will agree with me that being able to program the drums yourself is so much better, almost like having or being a real drummer.

[camaro24gold]

BTW...ReWire is in the backup section of RW and will not be a layer until time you do a "Mix to Riff"
Good Luck

[DaFreak]

Hey, I'm sorry I haven't replied to this thread in a long time, but I've been quite busy and lost track of all of this, but now I have a long vacation and can finally resume making songs etc... Anyways, I've downloaded Rebirth, then I downloaded Midiox because the midi program that was included with the freely downloadable Rebirth installation CD image is incompatible with windows XP. I also downloaded the Midiyoke drivers, required for making Midiox work (see links below). Sadly, I still have no idea how to activate the rewire function in riffworks. I can click the backup tab as many times as I want, it won't become checked and activated, so I am still missing something. I open Gearbox, then Riffworks, then Rebirth, then Midiox and in Midiox I select the Midiyoke 1 channel (might be named differently, Midiyoke makes sure you can select between about 9 standard channels, the one I'm talking about is the first) as input (I also checked this channel as input in Rebirth, so I assumed this would mean that I use Rebirth as input), and Guitarport as output. I still can't activate Rewire as a backup in Riffworks. Obviously I am doing something wrong, but I'm not very knowledgeable on music theory and associated programs, so I hope someone with more experience and knowledge can help me, otherwise I'll just keep experimenting and failing miserably. Am I selecting the wrong input/output in Midiox, or is it something else?

It is possible that you are using a different midi program as the one I'm using, so if you want to test it, here are the links for free downloads:

Midiox (the program): http://www.midiox.com/moxdown.htm
Midiyoke (the drivers): http://www.midiox.com/myoke.htm

And the download page of Rebirth at the Rebirth Museum:

http://www.rebirthmuseum.com/downloads/rebirth/index.cfm?fuseaction=displaymain

You have to register to be able to download it, but it is very fast so it shouldn't be a real problem.

Anyways, there probably is no need to download any of these programs to tell me what I'm doing wrong, but it might be helpful anyway, and this way once it has been figured out how to make it work, other people can download the programs (since they're all free) and have a nice free extra to Riffworks.

[camaro24gold]

Like I said I haven't used ReBirth. I do use MIDI OX but in an entirly different fashion.
Can you just open RW and then RB....and then look in backups on RW and click on ReWire. What do you see listed as ReWire devices? Hopefully ReBirth will be listed.
Also I wonder what version ReWire you have and then again I am not sure if ReBirth is supported under the lastest one.
Right now I just haven't the time to work with ReBirth but I will try to help you if I can as far as trying to figure this out.

[DaFreak]

Well, the problem is that there isn't anything at all listed as ReWire device in the Riffworks Rewire backup. Riffworks supports ReWire 2 and Rebirth supports ReWire 1, and from what I found at Propellerhead Software:

"How do I use MIDI with ReWire?
For MIDI communication via ReWire, both applications must support ReWire 2. If that is the case, devices/sound sources in the synth application will appear as MIDI outputs in the mixer application. This means you can route e.g. a MIDI track in the mixer application to a sound source in the synth application - just like you would route a track to a physical MIDI output connected to an outboard MIDI instrument.

Version 1.0 of ReWire does not include MIDI communication between applications. This means that if you want to transmit MIDI between two ReWire applications, you need to do this just like you did before ReWire existed. On the MacOS platform this means using the OMS (Open MIDI System) IAC drivers to set up a MIDI link between the applications. On the PC you need to install and use a utility such as MIDI Yoke (distributed free on the Internet)."

It would seem that I just need to use MIDI Ox to be able to rewire MIDI from Rebirth to Riffworks, I just don't know how exactly. I suppose that when I do it right, Rebirth should appear in the Riffworks Rewire backup, that I can then activate, but so far it's still an empty tab. I know that you don't use Rebirth, but the problem probably doesn't lie there, but in the way I am trying to use MIDI Ox.

[camaro24gold]

The problem there is RiffWorks really has no MIDI interfacing at all. There is no way to lock software/hardware to RW thru MIDI. The only avalible way is ReWire. If you could build drum tracks with ReBirth and then make a wav and then ReWire thru another supported application, but is that going to be worth it.
It might be better to just go with Reason in the first place.

[DaFreak]

Yeah, I guess this road is not going to lead anywhere, but at least we tried. Anyways, much appreciation for your help, so thanks, and good luck with your moderation and music creation!