Reamping with Riffworks and PODxt

[epauley]

I have a reamping question.

I was informed by Line 6 forum members that I CAN reamp with my PODxt! I assumed I couldn’t because the manual only addresses reamping under the POD Pro section.:rolleyes:

Is it possible to reamp using a PODxt and RiffWorks? If so, how? :/

[ThrobbyRobby]

I installed the Gearbox update last night (3.50) and as soon as you boot it, the tutorial/manual starts. I'm pretty sure it covers re-amping with the XT and XTL. It's well organized and more complete than I've seen in the past. I'm at work so I can't research it for your answer.

[epauley]

Thanks ThobbyRobby!

After reading your response, I checked the Line 6 Monkey and sure enough, there was an update which I hadn’t downloaded. And you were right – a GearBox section on reamping.

I only have one more question; doesn’t reamping require DAW – a component missing from RiffWorks?

That said, when it comes to DAW, I don’t have a clue what I am talking about.

[Wedgebill]

I don’t have a clue what I am talking about.

It's an age thing Ed, happens to me all the time :rolleyes:


Uncle Bill

[epauley]

Thanks Bill, you've really elevated my spirits! I thought you were unplugged. Are you Stateside already?

[pbear5]

you can't really re-amp with anything & Riffworks because Amp Sim plugins only happen at the Input stage and the result is recorded in Riffworks (so you are not ever recording the clean signal.) if you send the clean signal from your POD, Riffworks will record it but there is no practical way to get it back out for re-amping. you could, of course mute all other tracks and backups and send this clean signal out of your main outputs and re-record it but that sort of defeats the whole purpose of re-amping--being able to change the guitar tone to fit better with the overall mix. AND you will only hear the clean guitar track until you do "re-amp" it.

[epauley]

Thanks pbear5, that was my understanding also. Too bad.

[jisg]

With the whole Dual Amp X3 thing happening and not having an X3 for a L O N G time I tried Re-Amping yesterday (the poor man's dual amp thang) after the update and I had some success.

I found that the volume recorded way low on the re-amped layers. The level was much lower than the original unprocessed signal? Didn't have time to go back into GearBox and adjust the Record Send 1-2 feature in GB. I have an idea that I have to boost the level to get it to sound up to par.

I recorded send clean guitar and then changed the signal to Send Re-Amp Playback and then hit record on RiffWorks and it seemed to re-process the clean signal with the XTL's settings. Note turn off the Backups Instant Drummer or else you get the drums re-amped also. I played back with the original track muted and the drummer turned on there. I don't know maybe I'm full of Shlt and pbear is right, but I did hear the newly processed layers. maybe they will neverbe at an acceptable level, I'll try again.

However; by following the GB instructions and re-assigning the Audio Signal Routing I was hearing the changes in the amp models and the effects I employed. More testing required...I stopped then -

I cried and had a hissy fit because I can't get the X3Live for anytime in the foreseeable future and I was green with envy especially of Karl and the other Guinea pigs. Also pissed at myself because I have been sooooo brain washed by Line6 for the past 2 months that I must have one, Buy or Die, be In Like the In Crowd and now they're talking about more headroom and new algos and better sounding everything, 32bit float processing, more Openess, the DSP chip, and assignable FX loop position and on and on.... - felt like a 5 year old who couldn't have the bright new shinny red wagon that I wanted - RIGHT NOW!!!!
Crap I just got a new Variax 600 a month ago but is that enough? NOOOOOOO!

OOPs! sorry - I lost control there. wait a minute - I'm never in control erm, ah, buzzzzzzz...

check this out - - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cqPi18D5gIw

[epauley]

I cried and had a hissy fit because I can't get the X3Live for anytime in the foreseeable future and I was green with envy especially of Karl and the other Guinea pigs. Also pissed at myself because I have been sooooo brain washed by Line6 for the past 2 months that I must have one, Buy or Die, be In Like the In Crowd and now they're talking about more headroom and new algos and better sounding everything, 32bit float processing, more Openess, the DSP chip, and assignable FX loop position and on and on.... - felt like a 5 year old who couldn't have the bright new shinny red wagon that I wanted - RIGHT NOW!!!!

STOP READING MY MIND!!!!

That "You Tube" video is hilarious Mark! The only problem is…it’s funny because it too close to the truth.

[pooterpatty]

sorry jisg, but it looks like you've got an acute case of G.A.S. (gear acquisition syndrome). There is no cure, and the only way to manage the condition is to give into it, much to the chagrin of your significant other

[jisg]

I know last night I got OKed for credit through music123.com - only $17 per month for 29.411764705882352941176470588235 months.

Oh - how I know about G.A.S.!!!!!!
I'm burstin' baby!

[pbear5]

jisg--your method is what i was describing. yes, it should work but it's not quite the same as real-time tweaking while you are trying to find a sound that works with the mix or with another guitar sound. you are basically shooting blind. not sure what's going on with the levels--good luck sorting it out though.

[jisg]

I thought I was following the instructions in the GearBox help PDF. I thought it was possible.

Ed,
did you read the section titled PODxt - Audio Signal Routing & Re-Amping on page 2.21 in the v3.5 User Guide, the one in the Help pull down in GB.

[epauley]

Hi Mark,
Actually, I downloaded and read that section of the v3.5 User Guide (along with the GearBox update) and was able to reamp using "Line 6 Audio-midi Devices" control panel. I performed a simple test by recording a single riff. Unfortunately, the Instance Drummer’s tone was also affected by the PODxt’s reamping effects. My guess is that ID’s must be added after recording but I haven’t had an opportunity to experiment.

Also, from what I can tell at this point it is possible to reamp as long as a recording is limited to one guitar layer per riff. As gator pointed out, how could you control of individual layers within a multiple layered riff since they can’t be singled out?
Ed

[gatorjj]

There's no routing in RiffWorks (that I know of anyway!) that you could use to send just one layer to the PODxt. As you saw, the drums went with it...anything you hear is going to be amped upon playback. Not only that, it won't record what you hear, just run it through the amp on the way out. RiffWorks is just not designed to accomodate hardware reamping, and life is a lot simpler because of it

Maybe someday we'll get a VST slot in the effects and you can use Amplitube or the GearBox VST to reamp on a layer. Fair warning though, it would eat CPU and you'll get less layers than you're getting now. Or if you really want to keep track of Aux busses and the like there's plenty of other programs that can keep you busy.

But, wouldn't it be nice to record a layer of dry guitar and let it loop over and over while you tweak knobs and settings on the amp? POD reamping will let you do that in RiffWorks, and that is a great way to get your hands and mind free to focus on the tone and get your presets down.