Guitar Rig Question

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Postby Muddhole » Mon Jan 07, 2008 8:21 pm

Any one else have this software and are you able to use it with RW with no problems. I have two problems, first, I can't get the popping sound to totally stop no matter where I set the buffer in the ASIO. Second, there seems to be some sort of memory issue when I use this software with RW. When I want to change a patch I find it difficult to go back and forth between RW and GR. I have to hit the save button if I want to go back to GR, and sometime that causes both programs to crash.
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Postby blue4u » Mon Jan 07, 2008 8:46 pm

Ditto! This problem goes back to Guitar Rig 2. Sonoma knows about it and hopefully they have a fix in the works. RiffWorks just needs a better implementation for VSTs in general. Right now, I think GTR3 by Waves is the best software for guitar on the market. They have even come down to a reasonable price. But it's totally unusable in RW. Bums me out BIG TIME :(

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Postby pooterpatty » Mon Jan 07, 2008 9:18 pm

I've not been able to get GuitarRig to play nicely with Riffworks either. You either get the dreaded snap crackle pop, or you have so much latency that you can play a chord, go get a cup of coffee, have a smoke, play with the dog, listen to the wife talk about her day at work, and when you come back you'll just then hear what you played. I've found this to be true with both the vst AND standalone versions of GuitarRig. I can understand latency with the VST version, but the standalone should have none if your system meets the basic requirements.
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Postby blue4u » Mon Jan 07, 2008 10:14 pm

Guitar Rig 3 has some worthwhile improvements. As I said, GTR3 by Waves has to be the best out there right now but for high gain sounds stick with Line 6...

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Postby Muddhole » Mon Jan 07, 2008 10:25 pm

blue4u wrote:Guitar Rig 3 has some worthwhile improvements. As I said, GTR3 by Waves has to be the best out there right now but for high gain sounds stick with Line 6...

Rich

I like line 6 too up until recently when I tried GR. It has some amazing sounds and I like the "Master Fat Tube" patch.
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Postby gatorjj » Mon Jan 07, 2008 10:44 pm

I downloaded the demo just to see (I'm an Amplitube user). I don't have any latency issues with it, the problem seems to be the graphics do not update. The knobs and buttons work when you click 'em but you're blind.

Although VST's beyond the IK ones are technically unsupported, this is the first one I've run across that doesn't behave in RW. I have no clue as to why though! Bummer for you GR guys... :(
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Postby Muddhole » Mon Jan 07, 2008 10:52 pm

I have recorded with it already with these tunes just to test and try out to see how they would cast.
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Postby pooterpatty » Tue Jan 08, 2008 2:45 am

No argument that GuitarRig wins hands down in a lot of ways against GearBox. For one, GearBox just doesn't have the neato synth effects that GuitarRig does. And I agree that some of the modern high-gain amp sounds are much better than comparable offerings from Line 6. But if the latency is horrible, and it doesn't want to play with Riffworks (in addition to the latency, I've had the same problem gator mentions above with the graphics not updating), it's not much use to me.

Looks like, if GuitarRig works for your situation, it works really well, but if it doesn't, well it's as useless as tits on a boar. :)
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Postby Muddhole » Tue Jan 08, 2008 3:40 am

pooterpatty wrote:Looks like, if GuitarRig works for your situation, it works really well, but if it doesn't, well it's as useless as tits on a boar. :)

I KNEW IT, I SHOULD HAVE WENT WITH THE YAK!

WHAT?...

Seriously, when you want to change back and forth from RW to GR, just hit the "save as" button, and GR will either show up or just close the "save as" navigation box and you should be able to get to GR. I also notice that once in awhile I have to change the patch then go back to the original patch because for some reason the sound changes.

So if your talented enough to balance a book on your head, juggle bowling pins (minimum of three) and undo a womans bra at the same time, then you should be able to do the above mentioned no problem.

Good luck...
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Postby Wedgebill » Tue Jan 08, 2008 4:00 am

Have you tried taking your bra off before you start recording, might make it a bit easier ;)
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Postby pooterpatty » Tue Jan 08, 2008 2:07 pm

...and more comfortable, to say the least. ;)
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Postby blue4u » Tue Jan 08, 2008 3:47 pm

Waves plug ins (such as GTR) don't work at all. That said, I have tried almost every other plug in I could find out there and they held up pretty well. RiffWorks just needs better VST support. Guitar Rig is a MAJOR player and should be supported. It's overdue.

I know this is a tool designed to make everything easy peesy but it's time to grow into our big boy britches and upgrade some things! I hope they are still listening?

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Postby Wedgebill » Tue Jan 08, 2008 6:19 pm

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Postby dug » Fri Jan 18, 2008 11:29 am

I have approached Native Instruments regarding this issue on multiple occasions. Their plug-in doesn't allow running at the same time as a debugger. If you know about programming, then you know that you CAN work around using a debugger by doing a lot of logging, but you also know this is a tedious way to do it. I would much prefer if NI would actually respond to my request to provide me with a version I could debug with so that my users can use their software. Thanks for reminding me about this problem. I will go bug NI again about it at NAMM.

I will also get my hands on GTR3. I did not know that it also didn't work with RW. As Blue4u noted, we do work with most every other plugin. One of the nightmares of supporting plug-ins is the plug-ins themselves often have bugs that people expect the host applications to work around to make them work right. Most of the other VST hosts have been around a lot longer than RiffWorks, so they have more work arounds already implemented for different weird plugin behaviors.

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Postby beauzeau » Fri Jan 18, 2008 2:10 pm

"I have tried almost every other plug in I could find out there and they held up pretty well."


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That should tell you something. I've never heard of GR until now. But if it doesn't work, while all the others do, well, I'd guess it's something to do with GR.
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