Mix to Layer???

[dyonisos]

I was just thinking today how this would be a great feature to add. I don't know if it has been mentioned previously. If it has, sorry for bringing up an already hashed out topic.

The scenario where I think it would be useful: say (like me) you use 3 or 4 layers to record a vocal part, because it takes me that many to get it right, and you want to "borrow" the best parts from all the layers to create the ideal, composite layer. As things are now you have to set this up by adjusting the volume envelopes to mute out all the undesired sections, leaving just the good ones. Now, if you could then solo the 3 or 4 layers, and then "mix" them to a new layer, you could then delete the original 3 or 4 layers. Excellent for tidying up things. Effects could then be applied to the single, complete layer.

-Dan

[ksslr]

I totally vote for this! And I'd like to add the possibility to "move" song layers according to riffs...so I can try different song arrangements by moving chosruses, bridges, etc. and also moving song layers with vocals or solos...

[fooks]

I was just thinking today how this would be a great feature to add. I don't know if it has been mentioned previously. If it has, sorry for bringing up an already hashed out topic.

The scenario where I think it would be useful: say (like me) you use 3 or 4 layers to record a vocal part, because it takes me that many to get it right, and you want to "borrow" the best parts from all the layers to create the ideal, composite layer. As things are now you have to set this up by adjusting the volume envelopes to mute out all the undesired sections, leaving just the good ones. Now, if you could then solo the 3 or 4 layers, and then "mix" them to a new layer, you could then delete the original 3 or 4 layers. Excellent for tidying up things. Effects could then be applied to the single, complete layer.

-Dan

hi dan, i think you can do that but you have to empty the song line and put the riff with the vox up there, then hit the "mix to riff". you then have a riff with the voxs after you have mixed up the layers the way you want. it will then be a single layer in a new riff. is that what you mean?

you can leave the drums out, incase you want to change them but the bpm will stay the same (for the id's, i believe)

[dyonisos]

Hi, fooks! Actually, I DID mean "mix to layer". The idea is you want to keep all of the existing layers that are in the riff, yet select designated ones to "mix to" a new layer within the same riff, with these options, possibly:

1. mix current effects along with selected layers (checkbox).

2. delete source layers after mixdown (checkbox)

What do you think?

This is a more desirable outcome than mix to riff, because you aren't by default "finalizing" the mix--which is what happens during mix to riff (a single layer is created in the new riff, with no ability to mix the individual sounds [formerly layers] within that single new layer).

Regarding #1 above, this would be handy if different effects were used on different layers to be mixed to layer. For example, a series of vocal layers within a riff that use different effects. The resulting single layer would retain all of the different effects used. This would be destructive editing, but as long as you were sure that's what you wanted, it would be a good thing. It might not be as simple as a checkbox to turn of the effects, however. One might need to manually turn them off if is desired to mix them to layer dry. So it might come down to "what you hear is what you get", and no checkbox.

[fooks]

o ok, i understand now. yes that would be cool but...unless someone else has an idea, i don't think so.

let me say, you write and play very well. i like your songs.

you wouldn't have a mp3 of "bad blood" by the bonzo dog band, would ya?
i used to have "let's be friends"
haven't heard that in years, wanted to maybe cover it. i think i forgot 1 verse.

[dyonisos]

Thanks, fooks.

Yea, I have just about all of their mp3s. "Bad Blood" is a riot. Kind of a corny British take-off on country music. One of my favorites.

I also recently bought the Bonzo's 40 year reunion DVD concert, excellent.

[pbear5]

my audio interface (motu ultralite and my m-audio Delta 44 before it) allows me to use the output mix as a recording source so what i have done to achieve basically the same thing is, as you suggest, use the volume envelope to create a comp then i can re-record this to a new layer using the output as an input source. i also use this feature to record the Backups to audio layers--handy for you RiffWorld guys who have trouble finding collaborators with the same Drummers. before deleting anything, i Duplicate the Riff and delete what i don't want from the duplicate (just to be safe.)

[dyonisos]

my audio interface (motu ultralite and my m-audio Delta 44 before it) allows me to use the output mix as a recording source so what i have done to achieve basically the same thing is, as you suggest, use the volume envelope to create a comp then i can re-record this to a new layer using the output as an input source. i also use this feature to record the Backups to audio layers--handy for you RiffWorld guys who have trouble finding collaborators with the same Drummers. before deleting anything, i Duplicate the Riff and delete what i don't want from the duplicate (just to be safe.)

Hey, that's a good idea. Hadn't thought of it.

[klascojoe]

you are the only one ive seen do that other than me.i have riffworks standard and a maudio delta44 soundcard.when i click on the audio setup at the bottom left in riffworks,i have a choice of cards.the aiso maudio delta 44,or the line6 toneport kb37.when i switch to the maudio card i have a choice on the input section on the bottom left side of riffworks, my input choices are analog in 1-2 analog in 3_4 or mixer in L/R.if i set it to mixer in i can then mute all the tracks,and leave the instant drummer,rewired sounds,or rex file playing, and record them to that riff.unmute the other tracks,turn off the drummer and your drums will be on that riff,on its own track.that way i dont have to duplicate the track,i just add the drums,or rexfile,ect.straight to the riff just as you would a guitar.also if i decide the drums arent what i wanted after the fact,i can mute one that is recorded,turn the drummer back on and find something i like better,record it and erase the old one.

my audio interface (motu ultralite and my m-audio Delta 44 before it) allows me to use the output mix as a recording source so what i have done to achieve basically the same thing is, as you suggest, use the volume envelope to create a comp then i can re-record this to a new layer using the output as an input source. i also use this feature to record the Backups to audio layers--handy for you RiffWorld guys who have trouble finding collaborators with the same Drummers. before deleting anything, i Duplicate the Riff and delete what i don't want from the duplicate (just to be safe.)