using M-audio midi controller with riff works standard

[jwmaur2]

i have an M-AUDIO keyrig 49 midi controller that came with keyrig software. the controller works great in standalone mode but when i bring keyrig up in RWS VST editor my controller will not respond to it. how do i record keyboards? FYI i'm using a pre-sonus firebox as my interface.

[atalwar]

what you have is a midi controller that can only transmit midi data and RW does not accpet midi.

you can record from some application that can act as a rewire slave and load your/ own softsynths (reason,live etc). or you can download some third party vst plugins and chainers and stuff and have that act as a midi reciever and softsynth and sending audio to RW (quite a complex process and i wouldnt recommend if you are new to RW or pc synths and systems but i have done that and can confirm that it works. but there can be crashes etc, lemme know if anyone is interested to try hat out)

[veddereddie]

yeaaah Atalwar-I´m interested of that-I would love to been able to record my keyboard "live" in RW...I got Reason 4 and using that as a "slave" in rewire for now..Thanks //Lenny

[atalwar]

ok So here's how to record direct via softsynths/vsti direct into rw.

Required Plugins (vst)
1. MultifxVst : http://www.ctaf.free.fr/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=meslogiciels
2. EnergyxtE 1.4 (vst plugin version , trial can be downloaded and should work fine) : http://www.energy-xt.com/xt1.php

3. MID2VST : http://www.tobybear.de/p_midibag.html download the entire midibag package and you will find the plugin in it.


How to Set up:

1. Load RW(standard)

2. for amp choose Multifx VST

3. in Multifx click add and load (energyxte.dll )

4. in EnergyXt window load MID2VST and your vsti that you wish to record( you can also drag and drop from system explorer on energyxt)

5. double click the mid2vst and select your desired midi input port (whereever your midi controller is sending its midi output to)
6. interconnect the plugins.

6.1 Connect master in to master out
6.2 Connect vst2mid midi out to your vsti midi in port (the first small box under vst/vsti in energy xt)
6.3 connect mid2vst audio out to master out
6.4 connect your vsti audio out to master out.

6.5 : Hitting a key on your midi should now directly play in RW and you can record it.

if you select the midi-in port (in midt2vst) later you should disconnect mid2vst and reconnect it otherwise it will not work.

It is much easier that it sounds here. btw if you have full version of energyxt then all you need to do is save the file and you can load entire setup with just a click.

i am below attaching a energyxt screenshot for interconnections

Screenshot:

[atalwar]

ok So here's how to record direct via softsynths/vsti direct into rw.
Required Plugins (vst)
1. MultifxVst
2. EnergyxtE 1.4 (vst plugin version , trial can be downloaded and should work fine)

3. MID2VST : Download the entire midibag package and you will find the plugin in it.


How to Set up:

1. Load RW(standard)

2. for amp choose Multifx VST

3. in Multifx click add and load (energyxte.dll )

4. in EnergyXt window load MID2VST and your vsti that you wish to record( you can also drag and drop from system explorer on energyxt)

5. double click the mid2vst and select your desired midi input port (whereever your midi controller is sending its midi output to)
6. interconnect the plugins.

6.1 Connect master in to master out
6.2 Connect vst2mid midi out to your vsti midi in port (the first small box under vst/vsti in energy xt)
6.3 connect mid2vst audio out to master out
6.4 connect your vsti audio out to master out.

6.5 : Hitting a key on your midi should now directly play in RW and you can record it.

if you select the midi-in port (in midt2vst) later you should disconnect mid2vst and reconnect it otherwise it will not work.

It is much easier that it sounds here. btw if you have full version of energyxt then all you need to do is save the file and you can load entire setup with just a click.


i am below attaching a energyxt screenshot for interconnections

Screenshot:View Image

Links :
1. MultifxVst : http://www.ctaf.free.fr/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=meslogiciels
2. EnergyxtE 1.4 (vst plugin version , trial can be downloaded and should work fine) : energy-xt.com/xt1.php

3. MID2VST : link : tobybear.de/p_midibag.html download the entire midibag package and you will find the plugin in it.

[veddereddie]

wow thanks Atalwar!!I gonna try it later-thanks again!!!!!!//Lenny

[blue4u]

Thanks atalwar!!! I wonder if this setup will help me run Waves plug-ins like GTR3, compressor, EQ, etc.?? I tried it using only Multifx Vst which is cool but it didn't work for me Will EnergyXTE help me use Waves plug-ins? They have a different format as you may know that doesn't work with Riffworks!!


Rich

[freakyricky]

This looks great! Very much appreciated, Thanks bro!

[atalwar]

Thanks atalwar!!! I wonder if this setup will help me run Waves plug-ins like GTR3, compressor, EQ, etc.?? I tried it using only Multifx Vst which is cool but it didn't work for me Will EnergyXTE help me use Waves plug-ins? They have a different format as you may know that doesn't work with Riffworks!!


Rich

Just Checked and GT3 tool rack is working perfectly, all you need to do it load that in energyxtE.
and you can laucnh your energyxt setups wuth just a click, in multifx vst save the config as a preset once you have set your rig in energyxte.

and now with the midi feature as above you can perhaps parameters via midi at the time of recording.



Hey Rich,
For waves vst there is some vst hack application, i am damn sure i had it somewhere whch converted waves waveshells to individual vsts that is what i had used once for GTR so GTR i think it will, the waves studio bundle i am not sure if they use shells or if they work as individual vst plugins. energyxte does support a lot of vsts so any normal vst ot vsti should work just fine.

You need a small application called shell2vst.exe i think that does these conversions. see if you can find it on via google. otherwise i will have to locate it somewhere in my teraserver.

>>
a different format as you may know that doesn't work with Riffworks!!

i havent tried these with RW but energyXt itself also does not work with RW that is why using multifx vst. i Think RW vst implemenation still has a long way to go to support all other types of vst and things.

[garchev]

Thanks atalwar!!! I wonder if this setup will help me run Waves plug-ins like GTR3, compressor, EQ, etc.?? I tried it using only Multifx Vst which is cool but it didn't work for me Will EnergyXTE help me use Waves plug-ins? They have a different format as you may know that doesn't work with Riffworks!!


Rich

blue4u - Rich,

You need Acon Chainer: http://www.acondigital.com/us_EffectChainer.html. Basically, your setup is the following: RW>multifx>energyXT>Acon>your DX (any other not-VST plug-in).

BTW, you can skip energyXT and have RW>multifx>Acon>your DX

Second option is a DX-to-VST wrapper like these:

ftp://oisteinr.homeftp.net/DX-VST%20Loader/. You just replace Acon dll with the wrapper (there are a DX and DXi wrapper and a shell utility - read the instructions).

Both solutions are freeware.

You can also load the DX in Reaper and try the rewire function with RW (I've never tried this one, but just an idea...)

Also, the easiest solution would be to load Acon as a VST (RW>Acon) and then you can load any DX or VST, but for some reason it is not loading in my system...

That's for a DX. If you want DXi you should use: http://perso.wanadoo.fr/vb-audio/us/products/dxrack/dxrack.htm

Lets you run 4 DX plug-ins for each instance used. very good and free. (get the free FFX-4); or

Console - www.console.jp which is a chainer/rack;

and the ftp://oisteinr.homeftp.net/DX-VST%20Loader/ which I already mentioned. There is a DXi wrapper in there...

The only thing you cannot do is RTAS-to-VST, for some legal issues.

Just try these, they work great.

You mentioned Waves GTR - If I'm not mistaken, there are VSTs and a VST-shell dll in there....

It would be good to report back your results...

Best,

[garchev]

Hey, atalwar,

At first I posted a reply in the sense that you don't respect other posters work (like me, introducing the multifx chainer and energyXT to the RW forum), but then I noticed your contribution to the RW and the wonderful applications you created for us.

I must apologize.

You are great.

[atalwar]

Excuse me for my ignorance if i accidently stepped on your foot and/or others.

Been using ext for ages now, but don't remember where i got introduced to this multifx vst, perhaps forums your post or KVR or Steinberg vst developers mailing list.

Nevertheless, thanks for your inputs too, as it broadens the spectrum of more wonderful possibilities.

[garchev]

You are absolutely right atalwar,

Once the VST compatibility in RW is sorted out, especially for chainers and hosts, the sky is the limit...

[blue4u]

Thanks soooooo much for all your help guys...BOTH of you!!! I'll give these solutions a go

Peace!
Rich

[blue4u]

One other thing....do either of you know if Riffworks records 16 bit or 24 bit? The sound quality in other programs like Reaper seems a bit better so my theory was that Riffworks is recording everything in 16 bit audio which, if true is a bit of a bummer