New Website Terms of Use and Privacy Policy Posted May 13, 2

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Postby michelle » Wed May 14, 2008 12:43 am

The Website Terms of Use and Privacy Policy has been posted today for RiffWorld.com, Sonomawireworks.com, and RiffWorks built-in online collaboration technology that interfaces with RiffWorld.com. Please read these documents carefully before using, or continuing to use, these Websites and refer to them as necessary. Your use of these Websites constitutes your agreement to comply with the Terms of Use and be bound by it.

Website Terms of Use:
http://www.sonomawireworks.com/websitetermsofuse.php

Privacy Policy:
http://www.sonomawireworks.com/privacypolicy.php

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Postby Wedgebill » Wed May 14, 2008 1:58 am

That just about covers it ;)


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Postby Wedgebill » Wed May 14, 2008 5:19 pm

Should we remove any covers we have posted prior to these Terms & Conditions ?
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Postby michelle » Wed May 14, 2008 5:24 pm

If you don't own copyrighted material, you aren't legally allowed publish it. We assume you have the right to publish the music that you post on RiffWorld.com. Our policy is that we will delete songs only when and if someone complains. We haven't received any complaints and will not be pulling songs down or policing this. We don't have the time or resources to research who owns what copyrights. If you want to delete songs that you believe violate copyright law, it's up to you.

Regardless, don't throw away your copyright infringing songs for good as we would like to eventually make a deal with certain copyright holders to allow our users to legally make covers of certain songs. You can keep them on your hard drive. No promises on when or if this will happen :)
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Postby bluesydude » Wed May 14, 2008 5:58 pm

Sonoma has finally hit the big time. Mixed emotions. But I understand you got to do what you got to do. Still the best site around!
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Mat 6:33 "But seek first His kingdom and His righteousness, and all these things will be added to you."

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Postby michelle » Wed May 14, 2008 10:40 pm

Someone asked elsewhere about the commercial viability of songs posted under licences like the creative commons in relation to RiffCaster/RiffWorld and if this would pose any problems for a label or publisher and cause them to think twice before getting involved because such a license is already in place?

You can always make a "Band Agreement" with all the contributors for the song(s) and
that new agreement can supercede the Creative Commons license it was previously published under. This should not pose any problem for a label or publisher. Just make sure you create a solid agreement and run it by your legal counsel as Sonoma Wire Works will not be held accountable for any "Band Agreement" you create.

No royalty or payout would be owed to Sonoma or the InstantDrummer manufacturer (or artist). However, you would need to give credit to the InstantDrummer manufacturer and artist (if known) for any drums that you included in your song by "Including ­­­­­­­­­a ­­­­­­­­­valid ­­­­­­­­­copyright ­­­­­­­­­notice ­­­­­­­­­on ­­­­­­­­­your ­­­­­­­­­products."­­­­­­­­ ­­­ This is in reference to the RiffWorks License & Copyrights located in the RiffWorks End User License Agreement (EULA) agreed to during RiffWorks installation. You can find the EULA in the User Manual: http://www.sonomawireworks.com/RiffWorksUserManual.pdf

Whew...
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Postby epauley » Wed May 14, 2008 11:29 pm

Thanks for the follow-ups and clarifications Michelle. :)
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Postby Wedgebill » Wed May 14, 2008 11:42 pm

Based on these rules and regulations, if I make comments using my usual weird sense of humour, does this mean I will be banished ?, if so where exactly will I be banished to ?, some desolate desert island without electricity and computers maybe ?, and for how long ?, is there a sentencing chart I can refer to ?, will I be regarded as guilty untill I'm proven to be guilty ????

I need to know these things as my missus gets very cross if I don't go and eat my dinner as soon as I'm told to !!!!!!!!


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Postby pooterpatty » Thu May 15, 2008 12:13 am

Well crapola. Just to be safe, I deleted all the cover songs from my profile. I don't see what the big deal is - I'd be honored if someone thought one of my songs was good enough to cover. However, as usual, my opinion differs from that of the copyright infringement swine.

Bill, you should be safe as long as your comments are your own, and not comments posted by someone else previously. I have to wonder if this extends to using "Quotes" in a post. Bill, can I get a written agreement from you stating that I have your permission to use parts of your posts in posts of my own, so long as said posts contain X amount of original content and therefore would not be considered a "derivative work"?

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Postby Wedgebill » Thu May 15, 2008 12:34 am

You can repeat anything I say on the understanding you pay me a handsome royalty cheque. However, you must be able to prove that you understood what I said in the first instance. If you can prove this, once the money is safely deposited in my Swiss bank account, you must then carry out the task of explaining what I said as I usually have no clue what I was talking about in the first instance :rolleyes: ;)


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P.S. I call myself Bill on the strict understanding that nobody else calls me Bill because this name is copyrighted. Numerous people are already aware of this and it is obviously the reason why they call me all manner of other things :P
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Postby camaro24gold » Thu May 15, 2008 12:52 am

Like Pooter said "Crapolla"....... I think that word is public domain so I should be okay.
Removed my one cover.
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Postby Wedgebill » Thu May 15, 2008 1:03 am

You mean you finally took your hat off Tim ?????
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Postby camaro24gold » Thu May 15, 2008 1:10 am

Wedgebill wrote:You mean you finally took your hat off Tim ?????

No.....my fig leaf.
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Postby Wedgebill » Thu May 15, 2008 1:42 am

Ooooooohhh Sassy :lol:
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Postby cwight » Thu May 15, 2008 6:23 am

Crapolla is spot on pooter. It's all kinda legally insane. So if I record a cover on Riffworks and transfer it to a CD which I play in my car and someone on the street gets to hear it I have to pay royalties to the song writer? Worlds gone mad. You should be allowed to do covers and publish them as long as it's not for commercial gain. The covers are a lot of the most fun stuff we do in collabs. And doing covers is a really good way of working on your chops; just don't let anyone hear them! :mad:
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