New Website Terms of Use and Privacy Policy Posted May 13, 2

[gatorjj]

Guys, laws are laws and Sonoma is just trying to abide by them and keep their own butts out of trouble. I would suggest if we want to keep a copyright discussion going we move it to the green room!

[camaro24gold]

Just one more J.J. ........ I thought that maybe it wouldn't be that big a deal to post a cover that generated absolutely no revenues and credited the original artist. Part of this came from seeing others posting covers and hearing no complaints thus far. The other was we did covers all the time out live at bars, clubs, parties, and even political get togethers. However, the clubs and bars have to pay a entertainment license which allows them to use juke boxes and/or live music and this is where the royalties get paid. So I do understand Sonoma's stand and wasn't really dismayed at them......I just like saying Crapola

[cwight]

yeah me too, and I understand Sonoma's position, my mini rant was at the system...

[Wedgebill]

Sonoma Rules, Michelle is the Queen, Dug is the King, any questions ????


Uncle Bill


P.S. I ain't gonna say crapola, I might get banished

[gatorjj]

Just one more J.J. ........ I thought that maybe it wouldn't be that big a deal to post a cover that generated absolutely no revenues and credited the original artist. Part of this came from seeing others posting covers and hearing no complaints thus far. The other was we did covers all the time out live at bars, clubs, parties, and even political get togethers. However, the clubs and bars have to pay a entertainment license which allows them to use juke boxes and/or live music and this is where the royalties get paid. So I do understand Sonoma's stand and wasn't really dismayed at them......I just like saying Crapola

I don't think anyone is dismayed at Sonoma (and I hope "Crapola" is not trademarked either ).

There is the potential that some songwriter/publisher/whatever could come after Sonoma for allowing their works to be done and posted publicly on their site, which is an extension of their operation. While the revenue generated is not directly on the song, an argument could be made these help them drive sales. Whether it would hold up or not the last thing you'd want would be to be drug into a legal copyright battle after the fact, where you have little leverage and a big legal wrangling (and bill...lawyer bill, not uncle Wedgy Bill ) to contend with.

The Sonoma crew has taken a good step in re-clarifying their T's & C's, and even better by approaching some copyright holders upfront to enable some of the cover fun to go forward in the future. Ranting at the system is a good discussion on it's own but I wouldn't want to muddy up Michelle's posting with it. I suggest we take it to the Green Room and have at it!

[michelle]

Thanks for being so understanding.

[Wedgebill]

Just remember "SloshiePants" is trademarked will ya :rolleyes:

[cwight]

Is that just the phrase or the product Bill?

[Hemoglator2]

I agree that an artist could come after sonoma and that would suck!!!! God just dont let Lars hear anyones cover of a Tallica song on here I can just see another napster happening..
Peace Bryan.

[freakyricky]

thought I should post this here 2

http://www.sonomawireworks.com/forums/viewtopic.php?pid=30238#p30238

[freakyricky]

In section 6, it states that some music is not subject to a Creative Commons license which gives away ownership (fully paid and royalty free rights to distribute) to Sonoma Wire Works. When does this happen? Does this refer to finished and unfinished works in Riffcaster & Rifflink?


Quote from new user agreement effective May 13/2008
6. Licenses Granted for User Content Not Subject to Creative Commons License. The following license grants apply to posted material that is not subject to a Creative Commons license, and to User comments posted in a forum. User hereby grants Sonoma Wire Works an irrevocable, perpetual, non-exclusive, sublicensable, fully-paid, royalty-free, worldwide license to reproduce, adapt, distribute, display, and perform, all of any portion of the User Content posted on this Website that is not covered by a Creative Commons license. User hereby grants to other Users of this Website an irrevocable, perpetual, non-exclusive, fully-paid, royalty-free, worldwide license to reproduce, adapt, distribute, display and perform all or any portion of such User Content that is not covered by a Creative Commons license. Each User agrees to limit its use of the User Content provided by other Users (that is not covered by a Creative Commons license) to the license granted in the immediately preceding sentence.

[michelle]

#6 refers to User Content posted to "the Websites" that is not under the Creative Commons licensing (non-music) such as pictures, comments, personal profiles.

#6 is not intended to cover music - All music you post to the Websites (including finished and unfinished works in Riffcaster & Rifflink) is covered under a Creative Commons license (see #3). When you are using RiffLink, songs are recorded/posted to the RiffWorld.com server as you collaborate. So you are in effect posting to RiffWorld.com while you are collaborating.

[freakyricky]

What exact changes were made between the old and new agreement?

I looked for the old User agreement but the link seems to be gone. I'd like to see a copy before I agree to the changes. Could you make it available again, or am I just not seeing it somehow?

http://www.sonomawireworks.com/riffcaster/?search=ajellsay

[michelle]

As far as a previous Website Terms of Use Agreement, there was only a small note on certain areas of the site(s) like this one:
http://www.sonomawireworks.com/riffcaster/

That said:

Creative Commons License
Unless stated otherwise, this work is licensed under a Creative Commons License.
With a link to this license:
http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-nd/2.0/deed-music

That Creative Commons license didn't cover collaborations (Derivative Works) or social networking site issues, etc. so we had to expand it.

You can see what we had for a bit longer here:
http://www.sonomawireworks.com/riffcaster/

We have aways had the End User License Agreement for RiffWorks and that hasn't changed.

[freakyricky]

Hi Michelle,

there used to be a terms of usage agreement attached to
http://www.sonomawireworks.com/riffcaster/
beyond the creative commons license. I would like to see that one. if its possible

thx