Phasing Problem

[jpoprock]

Ok... I finally figured out a good way to hook up my Toneport. I decided to run the outputs of it to my stereo reciever, so now I have instant amp, and it actually sounds damn good.

Unfortunately, at my other machine, I don't have an amp or mixer handy, so it's much more complicated getting it to work.

Anyway, when I play Gearbox by itself, it rocks. But when I launch RW, suddenly my tone is out of phase. Like it's coming thru two diff inputs. I have RW marked to receive the Toneport as the input source, and there are no other options for out other than 1 & 2.

I've looked and looked at my settings and just can't see what is causing this. I've tried diff buffer sizes.

And for the record, but SYSTEM I/O is just default in and out. I didn't see the need to change it to Toneport as well, but maybe I should try that.

Thanks!
Jason

[jpoprock]

Also, I thought since i was using the Toneport DI and Gear Gold, I was supposed to turn Hardware monitoring on? It works whether it's on or off. But the difference being, when it's off, signal can actually be recorded, and when it's on, I hear signal, but nothing will record or pass thru the "Mains" so to speak. Is that right?

j

[Charvelguy]

Check your asio setting. The inputs-outputs can be changed. I usually use 1-2. If you are getting undesired phasing, that may be a couple things. Are you using a stereo phase or chorus effect from gearbox? Are you recording in stereo or mono?
If recording in stereo in, try switching to mono-that also applies to your asio.

[jpoprock]

Thank's Charvelguy. But I had already checked all those things with no luck. I record in stereo, which I think is just dual mono, but I tried selecting mono too with no diff.

I'm on a Mac, and so maybe it's different, but my Output in RW only gives me ONE option, and always has, which is Output 1 & 2.

It seems to get better and usable when I turn Hardware Monitor off, and listen thru my stereo speakers instead of headphones. That reminds me, I need to check if the phasing is there in the headphones.

Thanks!
Jason

[mickeymix]

If you have RW's Standard make sure you don't have the Amplitube check box turned on......you'll get both Gearbox and Amplitube(or whatever VST was on) tones at the same time..........yuckk

[jpoprock]

Yer a genius man. HA! That was exactly it. I tried my Stealthplug out with AT earlier and for some reason it was freeze central. The plug in box wouldn't show any content. It would in chunks. So, I ditched that idea. The more I deal with the Stealthplug, the more I hate it. I'm always fighting TONS of latency that I shouldn't have, and it pop's and clicks a lot. I never ever have that problem with my L6 DI.

So, I forgot to turn off the plugin from earlier. DOH!

Riddle me this... How's come when I turn off Hardware monitor, I can record tracks. But then it's on, I get guitar, but not thru the mains, which means nothing tracks. Maybe I don't understand how it works, or how to set it up.

j

[mickeymix]

When you have RW's fired up....click audio setup on the bottom right corner.........and see what is showing up......

And yeah Line 6 products have pretty much the lowest (almost non-noticable) latency.......

[jpoprock]

What shows up is Toneport DI USB as the input source, and Output 1 & 2 as the out (and this is the ONLY choice, and always has been... is that right?)

j

[davenz]

Yes, this is right.

Basically, you should have hardware monitoring off, as you don't need it with your toneport. If you have it on, you will hear what you are doing, but with some latency as it has looped through the system by the time you hear it. I have mine set up with my phones plugged into my toneport, hardware monitoring off, have gearbox open to get my sounds and then just hit record to do the business. It means bypassing the entire input chain in Riffworks and not being able to use the input-side effects and stuff but boo-hoo, Gearbox has all I want anyway. I can always add riff effects later if I want. Others who know more than me Rewire this and Reason that but I have no idea how that works, which probably explains my lame recordings!

I understand some people use the Gearbox VST, via the hardware monitoring/input chain, but I don't know if this works any better than the classic TonePort/Gearbox combo.

I have no need to alter any settings at all ASIO-wise, default works brilliantly, which is why the Line6 stuff is so good to work with; just plug it in and go. The only downside is the plug/unplug issue, where sometimes I had to exit RW, unplug and wait 5 seconds, plug and then fire up RW before it would work.

Dave.