m-audio black box

[shredder]

Hello all!! I am new here and downloaded the free riffworks t4. i was wondering if my m-audio black box will work with this program? I also have drum cd from beta monkey in 16 bit called double bass mania 2. i believe its in wav format....damn does it rock especially if you're looking to play thrash or death metal or stuff like children of bodom,slipknot etc,etc. I am also interested in the instant drummer stuff like nu-metal and the other ones. Is ther anyway i can make my beta monkey cd work with riffworks? I think i heard you can't on the free version but can on the purchased standard version. please help1!!! Thanks!!!!!

[Charvelguy]

The standard version for sure supports both Beta Monkey and the M-audio black box. According to the comparison chart, T4 will not support either.
If you need an ASIO you can use ASIO4LL but M-audio may have a dedicated ASIO that will work with the Std version.

[davenz]

Welsome to the madness shredder.

I had a Black Box and sold it in favour of a TonePort UX2, not only because of the better Gearbox sounds, but because the TonePort works better with Riffworks. Setting up the BB was easy enough and the m-audio drivers worked OK, but it didn't like Vista at all, and since it is now a discontinued product, no further driver or patch development is likely. This is why I sold it and went with the Toneport.

You can import wavs with a utility one of the guys here developed for RW, but timing beats is a nightmare unless you do some jiggery-pokery with midi, Reason, Reaper and God knows what else (you can tell I don't bother); other here will tell you how to do it way better than I can. I would just try/buy the metal instant drummers and come to grips with them and the quirks of the software before getting too carried away; some of them are very cool.

T4 is a freeware version that is basic and can do 'some' things. If you like it, upgrade to the Standard version; you won't be disappointed, though you will get addicted to it, so say goodbye to family and friends while you still can.

Dave.

[shredder]

i tried my blackbox and updates it to reloaded version and tried it with riff works t4 and it works beautifully except for when i record my guitar parts are great but the drums are not as loud as my guitar not sure how to correct it but now i know it works!!! If all else fails i'll try my built in drum machine from my blackbox and see if that works. Thanks to all for your help and replies! much appreciated!!!

[Charvelguy]

There should be indepedent control over the input and/or output levels for each. (drummer/black box)

[ediblepolecat212]

With the Black Box, are you saying that it wont work/sync with T4 but will with the standard version? I'm trying and failing miserably to sync the black box with T4 you see........

[Charvelguy]

I know it will for sure with Standard. I'm going to test it with the T4 and see how I do. (I have to dig it out)

[ediblepolecat212]

nice one let me know.......

[Charvelguy]

I was able to get a recorded signal in both T4 and Standard along with the instant drummer with ASIO4ALL... so yes, it will work.

[ediblepolecat212]

nice one, what am i doing wrong then>? i can get a recorded signal, but the beat effects wont sync with the instant drummer?

[Charvelguy]

Well my inquistive newbie underling - I believe that would be called
latency = lat'-en-cy. This is why we all use Line 6 audio interface like a Toneport, it has no perceptable latency when recording through Riffworks. (if correctly setup)
So, you get audio? right? Well then, that was more than I understood. I would try adjusting your ASIO buffer and packets. You could try another ASIO.
I would try using ASIO4ALL, I'm not going to gaurantee that will solve your problem though.
See, I'm not using the Black box exclusively. I don't know exactly what you mean by 'sync'... is this in reference to the arpeggiator? or just a chord block or stream of notes like a phrase played on the 'whatever' you are plugging into the Black box.

[ediblepolecat212]

yeah cheers for the patronising.....anyway "sync" means that the beat is sync'ed with the rhythm of the effects......so eg. Tremelo would be perfectly in time (according to the black box manual) with the drums of the software (in this case, instant drummer). As for the ASIO perhaps you could enlighten me as I have yet to delve as deep you have. How do I get ASIO4ALL?

cheers so far

[Charvelguy]

Hey no problem, if you reply with 'nice one' ..thats usually what I would call as not exactly thankful, but then again, you probably don't consider my reply that helpful.
I don't get paid to do this and I'm not affiliated with Sonoma, so try not to take it out on them...as for me, I just tend to get more flippant.

The more you describe the problem, the better the results you will have in someone...not just me, in trying to give an answer. Search functions are useful sometimes....If you google ASIO4ALL, you'll find this. http://www.asio4all.com/

If you are using the sync in the effects..I would try going for a more manual setting. to get a better timing with the meter on what you are recording. Sorry if that doesn't cut it but sometimes, you just got to try different things in order to find out what works. Uncheck the 'sync' and try it manually. Best to ya. (sincerely)

[ediblepolecat212]

thanks very much, i think perhaps there is a lost in translation thing going cos "nice one" in Uk is a sincere gesture. Anyway, I do appreciate your help, I'll keep plugging away until I find a definitive answer.

All the best Charvel.

[Charvelguy]

ahh, my apology then. Best of exploring to you.