What Riffworks REALLY needs

[d3drocks]

Better VST support.
having just one vst slot wont really cut it. i have Image-Line's Maximus, and its just plain better then whats in there right now. ide like to be able to use it in Riffworks.
also, an Equalizer is absolutely needed for instant drummer.

[redbaron]

...I suppose you are aware that you can use RW's "No equal" equalizer on the drums? And the other effects too?

[d3drocks]

...I suppose you are aware that you can use RW's "No equal" equalizer on the drums? And the other effects too?

well, didnt know that. though i dont really like NO Equal. its not as user friendly as other eqs i use.

[davenz]

There are also various preset EQ's that can enhance the drums, (on the EQ panel click 'Select' and choose Drummerheads/EQ submenu) and many people have posted their own eq files that you can download and use as well. The ID's are fully adjustable via the effects and EQ; I didn't like it at first either as I thought it too difficult to use but after a while I think it is actually very good, and does the job better than some other EQ's I have seen/tried.

My two cents

Dave.

[mickeymix]

I find No Equal rather helpful on my tunes and drums.....to me it's extremely user friendly....as well as the DrummerHeads presets.....couldn't live without them......give it another go D3......you'll find something you like for sure.....don't dismiss it so fast.


You will have to download the DrummerHeads pre's 1st....get them here.......

http://www.sonomawireworks.com/forums/viewtopic.php?id=1781

[atalwar]

There is Major reason why i fear vst might not make it to individual layers or riffs and that is cross platform/cross user compatibility.

Having vst or au at I/O is simple, the host(os specific) keeps track of plugin being used, and your songs/riffs are thus independent of the implementation and hence cross platform.

As soon as a vst's/au get into riff/layer level, it is not merely a can but rather a cauldron of worms and what not.

Rifflink collabs won't be possible due to different plugin standards and plugins amongst users. There will be major compatibility issues etc. and will cause problems amongst most of the users.

A Little bit of freedom/routing in the internal fx section would be great. Like the order of fx used. and few more fx perhaps including a limiter on the layer level so a offending layer does not make the entire riff huffing and puffing .

a vst/au section at output would be a good option, even the inbuilt 7 fx stack set at final out would be a great option for tweaking up the overall mix/master.

One can go a lot deep into it and have submix tracks and fx sends and all but that would make RW too complex, not a good thing imo

Since midi support is coming soon to RW, i hope Midi to Rewire Routing is also implemented (if not now then atleast in future versions) , as it just does not make sense of incomplete usage of rewire protocol for just using loops/Pre recorded stuff in RW (as RW can only act as a master) .

With Midi Routing,You can record your midi clips in your rewire slave right from RW. and even use vsti's or vsti/vst chains that maybe incompatible within RW itself.

My most desired feature, is in the rewire/rex/ID usage : Bounce/mix to layer instead of to a new riff. It's a pain to setup rewire everytime you load a project, and mixing down the entire riff is quite destructive process. Like you have to follow a rule, that if you want to get the loop from rewire or rex intrinsically into rw, you have to mix it down first, before laying down any other layers.

Why would you want to mix to layer? because then with info view you can control the mix of the loop, mute individual hits etc, merge 2 instant dummers like taking loop from one intensity setting and fill from other setting.Or perhaps get rid of the entire loop if not required in final mix.

A different vst/vsti implematation could be great like a vst chain/stack on input built right into RW vst loader. Again one can use freeware/commercial vst loaders and most work just fine so not a biggie.

Most of above ideas would/should not turn RW into a High End DAW/Recording App Or make it any complex, but most likely make it a bit easier for all as these are just bits of extensions to what already is in there.

Hope with time some of these small things would make their way into RW.

Nuff for my Sunday typing practice (read:finger therapy) Session

~Amit

[davenz]

Amit, I agree with everything you say, even though I don't understand a word of it.

Dave.

[atalwar]

I Assure you i was Sober.
a couple of carlsberg's do no harm.

[fooks]

Amit, I agree with everything you say, even though I don't understand a word of it.

Dave.

lol, exactly what i was thinking!

[riffer7777]

atalwar can help me next week with reason.i aint got a clue how to use it.its like the controls of a space shuttle lol.heeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeelp me !!!!!

[atalwar]

lol, guys,
as always i ended up creating a chaos with words.

The first part of the post described why it might not be possible for sonoma guys to have vst effects as part of the layer effects in a riff as many people request that.

The Other part i wrote was about what things could be done in effects and some other things, e.g we can't have "no equal or shaper or filter" after the delay or compressor for a layer etc. If one could change order of effects that could be cool.

The Bounce to layer feature i requested is one thing i think all can benefit from.

It's Similar to Mix to Riff feature you get from Mix button, however fundamentally in a different sense that it does not create a new riff. Does not touch(merges) existing takes/layers in the riff, but mixes down just the instant drummer or the rex loop or the audio from rewire as a new layer in the same riff (like importing that audio loop directly into a new layer in RW RIFF). And then you can treat that as any other recorded audio.

Here is a more brute example.

I have recorded a riff, with some "temporary" bass. I got a nice drummer going along.
now i want to stop it amidst with a crash , then pickup and things.
Assuming I got a nice 1 bar rex loop with crash in end. that would serve the purpose.

If I Didn't plan this earlier before recording my riffs and bass, it's very hard to do this.
Especailly no control over drummers

However with the bounce to layer feature, i could bounce the crash loop and the instant drummer into their individual layers. go to their info view. and mute the portions for the range i don't want.
You could mix and match 2 or more instant drummers (eq: low pass one and high pass other, quite fun) in the same riff and more endless stuff when you bring rewire too in the same scenario.

A Limiter/Exapnder as part of a layer could be quite useful. Currently we got a master limiter hardwired on top which starts to jump in whenever your audio signal goes over red. This could be caused by anything like a bright snare hit, on the drummer or something else in your audio. if you could limit just that layer in your riff then your master limiter wont have to kick in, you won't have to reduce overall volume of the mix and thus you will get a much louder mix with better signal to noise ratio.

These are just merely ideas that can expand, be explored and give some more freedom to the music production workflow in RW.



Dunno , why my posts end up being so long ?

[atalwar]

atalwar can help me next week with reason.i aint got a clue how to use it.its like the controls of a space shuttle lol.heeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeelp me !!!!!

Reason by the Nature of It ,is the Very Reason I don't use it.

Glad you figured out it's a space shuttle, i always thought it was a submariine but something didn't fit.

[Wedgebill]

Next time my outdoor beer fridge gets a bit low on stock I must replenish it with some of the stuff you're drinking Amit

[riffer7777]

lol, hes a cool dude.like the re plumbed riff nutter title bill !!

[d3drocks]

atalwar can help me next week with reason.i aint got a clue how to use it.its like the controls of a space shuttle lol.heeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeelp me !!!!!

space shuttle controls?
you should look at this little baby I've been Using in FL-Studio. (and its not even complex compared to Sytrus!)