Songlayers and riff transition

[skritte]

Hi

I just bought the toneport UX2 and Riffworks Line 6 Edition.

When you record a riff and you record a few more seconds than you are actually playing (i don't have a footswitch, and need time to press spacebar:)). Is there a way that I can delete that last part and just keep the riff?

Are there any tips for getting a smooth riff transition or will it work fine as long as you can stop the riff (previous question) in the right time.

[pooterpatty]

Hi skritte,

If I'm understanding you correctly, what you can do is click the INFO button on your Song Layer - that will give you a linear waveform-style view of what you recorded. You can left click and drag on that waveform to duplicate volume swells (or to chop off the last few seconds of a Song Layer).

As far as getting transitions to flow between riffs (without the use of Song Layers), that's kind of an art all it's own, but there are a few tricks that seem to help:

- use the same Instant Drummer session whenever possible.
- use the same tone patches in Gearbox on each riff (especially important on rhythms and bass)
- for leads, add some *slight* delay or reverb in Riffworks to your lead Layer. This will help the end of one riff "bleed" into the next just a little, making things a little more seamless. If you add delay or reverb on your tone patches you won't get the same effect.

Hope this helps, and welcome to Riffworld!

[cwight]

All good advice from Pooter, but also you don't have to worry about recording for a few more seconds than you are playing while you stop the recording. Every riff loops, so all that will happen is that the extra bit of recording will appear as a new layer. Just solo that layer, decide if you want it or not, and then delete it if you don't. Make sure you have the layers clicked and visible as you record and you'll see what I mean; it'll all make sense then. I'll often record about 10-20 layers in one go until I get it right, but because they loop you can do that easily without stopping the recording after every riff. This also means that you are practicing as you are recording; how cool is that....?

[pooterpatty]

Colin I think he was talking about Song Layers, not regular Layers recorded in a riff.

[loadstar]

Yer - getting riffs to line up is quite a high percentage of the time needed to get a song complete. There seem to be many methodologies...

Personally, im a "human metronome" so i just close my eyes and feel the beats and usually get the riff close enough between the recording markers...having said that: the hardest part i think is the beginning...it is sometimes unclear when the riff should start (so that it ends on the last beat, ready for the next riff)...especially with non 4/4 timings.

One thing that *doesnt* help is watching the Riffworks screen while waiting to come in on the guitar. Close your eyes and feel the metronome count in...

[loadstar]

If he is talking about deleting part of song-layer....you can lower the volume in the waveform window to zero. The same as you would if you wanted to fade out.

You can cover um annoying clicks or bangs by just dropping the waveform amplitude to zero.

[skritte]

Thank you for the response.

What I was meanig was that if i record a riff and i record for 15 seconds but I only want to keep the first 10 seconds. (and then have the next riff I record starting immediately after the first 10 seconds of the first riff) Is that possible?

[fooks]

hi skritte,
you can't do that inside RW but you could do as suggested by the others here.

then fill in the last 5 sec with other layers to lead into the next riff or redo the riff a few bars shorter.

i think we all have made a great riff only to to realize it is alittle too long.

[cwight]

Colin I think he was talking about Song Layers, not regular Layers recorded in a riff.

Ok sorry, didn't notice the thread heading. If it's songlayers then Pooters is the only way I know. If it's the normal riffs you are best to set the length right from the start.