Transition between riffs in t4 Question

[gcpd957]

Hi all, im new to the software and have created only 2 riffcast thus far but im having a blast with Riffworks so far. Im using Pod-Studio with Pod Farm as a base for all my sounds which is also another amazing program. Anyways on to the question. When you transition between riffs or when it loops back around when using the same riff to create a song you can hear the transition between riffs, just a tiny bit, hardly noticable, but definately there. Is there any way to edit this out, or is it a deal with it type thing since the software seemed to be made more for the fun of things rather than audio mastering? To get a better clue of what im talking about, these are my clips, youll hear a slight pause,,again very slight between the transitions. Any input or advice will be great, and thanks!

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[cwight]

Ah Riff transition again...One of the great riffworks mysteries. first of all listen to some of the other riffcasts, and see if you can hear the transition on them (you won't). It's an art form in itself. I've listened to your casts and I can hear the slight pause, but can't tell what's causing it, but it shouldn't be happening. Do a search in the forums for 'riff transition'....and maybe try linking one so we can get in and listen to the way you have recorded it....

[ShredRex]

Hi and welcome!

To be honest it is more than likely a timing thing. It takes a bit of getting used to when doing loop based recording to get it smooth between riffs. Even just a the slightest variance will cause audible gaps between guitar and bass riffs.

I found it best to always just play through the riff, or over play it a bit....cause I was really bad for the gaps and drop outs when I first started using RW. In addition you can always try subtle things like adding cymbal shots and other accents on the transition to help carry it along. But ultimately I think you will find it can be rectified with ensuring you are coming in solid on beat 1.

If you place multiple riffs together with just an instant drummer, you will see they are seamless........mute them and listen to your recorded guitar layers....compare and see.

Of course if I am wrong (and I very well could be) then it may be time to dig into more of the system info and the buffer settings affecting latency and such. But from what I heard in your 2 casts, I am leaning towards timing.

[gcpd957]

Cool, sounds good. Will do! Im using the standard 8 bars, should i go for more? Also, my solo bits in there were 2 layers on top of the drum track and rythym guitar. Would it be a better idea to use the solo portion and track it over the song itself rather than try and layer it to match?,,,Yeah never had a problem with latency here. Ive done all the optimization techniques as suggested by Pod Studio and Riff works, and thus far it works great. My comp aint to shabby either. I would have to agree that my timing is just probably off a bit.

[gcpd957]

Guess it was the timing,,maybe the drum bit. Check this one out and advise.

www.riffworks.com/members/gcpd957

[ShredRex]

Sounds much better! What did you use for the drum sections?

Like Cwight said above....you are not the first to pose the questions, and we all have experienced the problem at some point.....and in many cases it is a matter of timing, or just recording it differently to get the desired results. Sounds like you have solved the issue though.

I just set my buddy up to start using riffworks and my old guitarport over the weekend.....and I warned him ahead of time "be prepared to have your timing exposed" as recording definitely brings all the little flaws to the surface.

[cwight]

The other thing that is worth mentioning on this subject, is to try not to think or play in terms of riffs when you record. By this I mean don't anticipate the riff coming to an end and think you are going to stop (because often you will be just fractionally before you should). Because the riffs loop continuously (there is a limit for layers but I don't know what it is) just keep playing right through them. This way you will have multiple takes of your riff on different layers and you can select the best performance (I can end up with about 30 takes sometimes). It also means that there will be less chance of there being small gaps in the music....just experiment.

But as Shred says, one easy trick to check is to place your riffs in the songline and mute everything but the drums. The transition between riffs should be seamless, if it is and you still hear gaps and clunky transitions, when you unmute your layers then it's something to do with your playing or recording. Just mess around, you can't go wrong and I'm sure you'll get the hang of it..