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by **flexkill** » Wed Dec 17, 2008 3:00 pm

Just thought id give you guys a heads up as some may not know. You could lose some pretty important stuff if you get hit....be careful out there guys!

http://tech.yahoo.com/blogs/null/111811

by **Gerk** » Wed Dec 17, 2008 7:19 pm

Yep that's pretty scary ... the fact that this has been around since IE5 and not been reported until now is even scarier.

*hugs his mac*

by **ShredRex** » Thu Dec 18, 2008 1:02 am

I love Firefox.....lol

by **atalwar** » Thu Dec 18, 2008 1:20 am

Anyways guys the patch is out for anyone stuck with IE corporate policies and things.

Dunno what the patch messes up now though.

http://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/bulletin/ms08-078.mspx

by **Gerk** » Thu Dec 18, 2008 1:43 am

atalwar wrote:Anyways guys the patch is out for anyone stuck with IE corporate policies and things.

Dunno what the patch messes up now though.

http://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/bulletin/ms08-078.mspx

LOL ... well that page and patch seem to be gone

They pulled it already. It just gives you a search that doesn't find that patch.

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by **Gerk** » Thu Dec 18, 2008 1:45 am

I take it back ... the page is back. GO figure .. their web servers seem about as reliable as their web browser

by **riffer7777** » Thu Dec 18, 2008 9:17 am

im on googlecrome and the words are rather grainy? whats firefox like.ive always been suspicious about it?im on xp windows sp2.cheers guys.

by **Charvelguy** » Thu Dec 18, 2008 10:14 am

I wish I would have seen this sooner.
I woke up to some occasional bell going off...., it seems to be coming from my scanner which is wireless. I had not heard this bell before, so I was going , k, wth.
It was very random.

Now, my router is both wired and wireless. My PC's are wired and protected by a firewall. I open Network connections and see a strange computer connected to my network
I use both IE and Firefox.. Firefox I tend to use less but I do go on almost daily when the internet is going to be heavy in use.
So, I unplug my router and cable modem.
I reconnect.. I do not see the strange PC anymore...still, there are two more than what I have seen in the past but they are the coded versions of the actual name of the printer and PC, the bell continues on occasion.

I downloaded the update and it seems these extra two connections have vacated. I'm definitely wondering if I was hacked, so I am off to change passwords.

I have a hardware firewall by Zytel... I think I am going to hook it up this weekend.

by **vad1er** » Thu Dec 18, 2008 11:00 am

lol.. if you are using a wireless network and you have filesharing turned on you may see other devices of nearby computers like for example your neihbors laptop.. this does not mean you are getting hacked. You can turn this of in the network options.

I use chrome and have never noticed any graininess make shure your plugins are up to date..

Check and see if your bank covers with internet crime security.. if it does and you don't play online games then it is no big deal..

BTW to the mac user.. If macs ever mange to take over as the mainstream pc then safari and any other MAIN browser will be a victim of the same exploits.. I have VMware on my server with 10 different Operating systems and actually the most secure is Solaris 10, next is Ubantu..infact mac OSX 10.5.** AKA hackintosh is the second least secure but then again it is the second most used OS in the world.. Well actually third if you consider PDA media.. All this is changeing as now macs have also switched to intell processors...nice.. Soon there will be so many OS that none will be really any safer than the other.. Actually it is already that way.

If a hacker got personal about it... There are many Keyloggers(key stroke recorders) that arn't detectable by virus protection or antispyware.. The hackers are always 1 step ahead of the anti-hackers as is the way it works.. can be given by phisting sites, emails, music downloads, on html picture sites like photobucket ect..

Another note to all.. Do You know those emails you get with the bleeding heart stories or political opinions with the downloadable pictures and they want you to forward the email to like 10 people. They are also almost always viruses/spyware of some kind attached... And guess what happens when you the Administrator opens them... Google Steganogrophy!!

I have cyber fraud coverage on my bank acounts so if I like IE I will use it.. Although Chrome is way better..

ONe last thing there are free programs online called net tools. It does just about anything a hacker wants.. so my only point is YOU ARE NEVER PROTECTED ONLINE EVER, EVER, EVER!! Unless you use a virtual machine as a sand box for your work and keep it isolated from all your other stuff.. And even then who knows... Sorry if this sounds scary but I go to school with guys who can crack your pc in seconds and then make it trace back to someone on a library computer on the otherside of the planet... It is an evil combo of virtual machine, Deamon tools, and net tools.. So go back to your life and if your bank does not cover cyber crimes get a new bank...

by **vad1er** » Thu Dec 18, 2008 11:02 am

please read the long rant above i know it is borring but all this IE user fear crap is making me sick..

by **Charvelguy** » Thu Dec 18, 2008 12:49 pm

I don't have filesharing on...unless the update secured it. I checked all my preferences. I'm new to Vista and this machine has only been up for about 6 weeks.

by **kwjolin** » Thu Dec 18, 2008 3:42 pm

IE is by far the best browser. I have tried others, Firefox does have a bit of a grainy look to the fonts, so does Chrome. Maybe you can change that in some setting somewhere, but when IE is perfect from the start....why bother with anything else?
I had Chrome installed for about 10 min. Complete garbage IMO....
I also use Vista and love it, no problems at all!
It's all about personal preferences....I'm sure you could find good and bad things about all browsers or OS.

I still haven't tried a Mac. Who knows maybe I would like it better, but for now I'm going with "If it ain't broke....Don't fix it!"

by **flexkill** » Thu Dec 18, 2008 5:40 pm

Vader, I know all the things you say for the most part a true, but it doesnt make sense to just make it easy for them. You are never going to get me to believe that I am not safer surfing the net using FF than IE......I cant count the ways that just by switching my family and friends to FF has saved me many hours of fixing their PC's.

by **Gerk** » Thu Dec 18, 2008 7:29 pm

BTW to the mac user.. If macs ever mange to take over as the mainstream pc then safari and any other MAIN browser will be a victim of the same exploits.. I have VMware on my server with 10 different Operating systems and actually the most secure is Solaris 10, next is Ubantu..infact mac OSX 10.5.** AKA hackintosh is the second least secure but then again it is the second most used OS in the world.. Well actually third if you consider PDA media.. All this is changeing as now macs have also switched to intell processors...nice.. Soon there will be so many OS that none will be really any safer than the other.. Actually it is already that way.

I understand all of this (trust me, I'm an IT guy and have been for many years)

For now I'm quite happy that OSX is not a target. One of the things that you fail to mention is the fact that things like "net tools" are easily available for hackers (or wannabe's or script kiddies or whoever) to download and that is the thing that makes windows such an appealing target. There are a bevy of freely available hacker/hacking/trojan/virus tools out there so most of the hard work is already done for those that want to take advantage of the fact.

As for overall security, while OSX is not perfect I feel very strongly that it is safer than windows. At least all of the low levels of the code (Darwin) are freely available for the geeks that care about that sort of thing to audit as they feel fit -- and luckily most of the users I've ever known that have the knowhow or desire to take things this far would be much happier sending in a patch to fix the problem than writing an exploit to take advantage of it -- but as you say, that's for now. Before OSX I was an avid Linux user (and developer for several years) -- the same thing holds true for most Linux distros as I mentioned above. Having your source "open" affords a HUGE team of bug testers/repair guys/emergency response folk at hand

Lastly for all the comments on the grainy fonts, they are all anti-aliased and if you're an IE user you're just not used to seeing them like that. I prefer anti-aliased fonts for screen viewing, but each to their own. Windows doesn't do a particularly good job of it a lot of the time, which is why it looks poor

by **vad1er** » Thu Dec 18, 2008 7:56 pm

Alot of this is about personal preference.. I meant no offence to anyone.. As for charvel guy, go into your network and sharing center and see what is turned on then post it here and we can get ya more secure.. Gerk you are right about the open source availability this give users of OS like ubantu a super tech/anti-expliot team..
Honestly I am not a fan of microsoft or Mac.. They both have there+'s and-'s in my book.. Again I am a big proponent of virtual machines especially VMware for it's video acceleration and audio..On this server I have winserver 2005 R2, running Mac Osx through vmware workstation 6.0 and inside Mac I run VMware fusion running tiny vista lol.. Anyway all downloads go inside the tiny vista and are drag and droped to what ever os i choose.. After being screened..
Just for the record my personal favorite operating sysem is the ps3 lol... talk about security.. Got blue ray??

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