Re: Riffworld the End?

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Daniel Codella - Sonoma Wire Works Marketing + Artist Relations

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Daniel, I prefaced it by....."I'm sure it's not....."

"Censorship reflects society's lack of confidence in itself.  It is a hallmark of an authoritarian regime." 

"You can cage the singer but not the song."

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Rotund I am running RW on a server style pc with 24 gigs of ram and 16 cores(8 real/8virtual). My internet is cable although I also host an atenae on my roof for clear wire and I can also telnet into many of the company servers I monitor for a living. If RW, Riffworld, Rifflink and this forum have anyone logging onto them that should have no connection problems then it is me. Ironically I have all the same problems as anyone else here. I have a little hope for riffworld left but even this is slowly fading. And this makes me very sad because of all the music I have taken part in with BMA, Yahsteck1, Stymie, klascojoe, Troy2006, Rotund, Nephew13, Cwight, pooterpatty, Matchdrive, Macdaddy, alexanderK, helipeli, Tryk and a hundred other REAL musicians.. What other place on the earth could a mediocre musician like me play with the pure talent of these amazing "Big Dogs"? For this I will always be gratefull to michelle and Doug. But gratitude can only go so far. It is time for sonoma to take action instead of making more promises and propganda. Roll everything back and take it one tiny step at a time. Setup a server for paying customers and a seperate one for T4 freebee users.. OH here I go again!!!
OK nevermind. My point was there is no bottlenecks on my PC but I experience the same problems as the Junkies here. Then the problem must be on there end. I remember reading that the rifflink server was a Unix, 4 core, 8 gig system correct me if I am wrong. I wonder what the rest of the servers specs are...hmm... Upgrade might help. Hell this new Virtualization technology would allow sonoma to buy 2 powerhouse servers each running anywhere between 4 to 256 gb of ram use one as a primary and one as a back-up and do every job the other servers are doing all on one system while the other just sits recievng backup updates unless the primary goes down then it takes over. Yes it costs a littleto get setup but this setup takes less space(a normal closet) and they would save big money on electricity over a short period. Infact two servers (5500 Xeon) with 24 gigs each would cost about $2500-$3500 each.

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Riffworks Rocks, Thanks Sonoma!!
I'm looking forward to what's in store for us when it's ready. I know it will be worth it!
Just look at what you've given us so far. NO ONE can beat that!!

Just a little patience............yeeeaaaaahhhh yeeeeaaaahhhh!!!

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Hi Vad1er,

Most of our users are commenting on a marked increase in speed and stability, have you noticed any improvement? If you have not, please let me know. From what we know, the improvements we have already made have fixed some issues or at the very least, improved things, and the upcoming updates should really optimize everything.

Daniel Codella - Sonoma Wire Works Marketing + Artist Relations

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I have to chime in too, before Daniel becomes suicidal!  I've noticed a big improvement in Rifflink, I can always log in quickly and haven't been booted out of a collaboration in a long time.  I own a lot of drum sessions so I usually hear the drums.  If I don't  have the drummer, I just go buy drum session.  It takes less than 10 minutes to buy and install a drummer, so I'm back into the collab in no time at all.  As far as Riffworld is concerned, I'd like to see the quick shout back and a few of the other features that disappeared.   I also found that toggling the "compatability view" solved my problems with being able to see and leave shouts.  I have to say though, I'm really happy with the way Rifflink is working for me now!  Keep up the hard work Sonoma, I love being able to collaborate and having Rifflink back in a fairly stable form has me hopeful for the future here again.

Last edited by ThrobbyRobby (2010-06-02 14:01:25)

"Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy."
> ~ Benjamin Franklin

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Indeed, log in time is faster and I have not experienced being kicked off but as I type this, a project I am working on (after I waited for all of the riffs to load) is hung and Riffworks has crashed. Now when it crashes, I have to go through Task Manager to close it and start everything over. NOT where you want to be when you are in the middle of an inspiring moment. This is one simple case in point. Over the weekend I spent HOURS editing delay effects and making careful "info layer" adjustments to volume fades for a mix. When I logged in the following day...they were all whacked out and/or lost. So that effort is gone. The info layer and delay bugs have been reported and made known numerous times (and quite a while ago). Additionally, lack of support for various VSTs such as TH1 and the overall instability of Riffworks on different platforms has also been discussed ad nauseam around here.


Look...I don't think it's from a lack of caring by SWW or a lack of good, honest effort going towards improvements. In fact, it's not my position to speculate the how or why. I'm just a frustrated customer. What's important (to me) is a steady release of improvements that show things are moving forward; not stalling as they have been. At least make the effort to release new versions or bug fixes to the software and communicate with the beta team. Hey, it's just my opinion.

One thing is certain here; SWW is VERY LUCKY to have you guys as customers. You are more loyal than I have seen any customer base be with the exception of Apple (maybe). Good for them and good for you. I still appreciate the things that DO work here and you guys know that I have respect for you smile That said, if we are being honest and Riffworld actually had any real competition, there would be trouble in paradise wink

R

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Here's the easy solution, remove all the free stuff, problem solved.

No-one remembers what you do or say.
Everyone remembers how you made them feel.

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As most of you know, the free update that the engineers are working on addresses many of the connection issues that disconnect you. Hang tight! smile

Daniel Codella - Sonoma Wire Works Marketing + Artist Relations

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Hey Daniel, I wasn't completely convinced when we met, are you absolutely sure you're not a computer ?

No-one remembers what you do or say.
Everyone remembers how you made them feel.

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We gripe because we care, if we didn't we'd drift away. Can I become a computer too?

"Censorship reflects society's lack of confidence in itself.  It is a hallmark of an authoritarian regime." 

"You can cage the singer but not the song."

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Very human! Cwight, yes, I understand that. People are passionate if they care about something. All the frustration is proof that you all have high hopes and expectations and have invested alot of time, energy, money, and passion into this. We understand that smile

Daniel Codella - Sonoma Wire Works Marketing + Artist Relations

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Wedgebill wrote:

Hey Daniel, I wasn't completely convinced when we met, are you absolutely sure you're not a computer ?

Sorry Daniel, but this is funny.  big_smile

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dcodella yes I have noticed it is faster atleast when it does not CRASH. But many times I feel like you guys are"cutting off the nose inspite the face" drum streaming is a case in point. How can we collab with no timeing. Atleast move the metranome so we can use it if we don't want to buy every damned drummer. I have over a thousand dollars into RW allready so no I do not want to buy every drummer. Especially since I own addictive drums and Halion3 already. I still love the software when I use it offline. Infact my only real gripe with the software is it can't be a rewire slave. Wedgbill, you hit the nail right into the coffin.. I am more than willing to pay and have been all along.. It was T4 free usage that clogged things up to begin with. Paying for the stability rather than having to compete with every T4 user for bandwith is A ok with me. Blue4U, I understand what you are saying but are you refering to Overloud TH1? I installed a demo a few times and I did not have any problems with that particular vst so maybe I can help you get it running on your system.

I guess the moral of this story is carfull what you wish for.. We complained about slow rifflinks we lost live drum streaming.. We complained about slow riffworld we lost nearly everything that made it great..Now this messed up forum setup is completly sonoma as I don't remeber anyone complainig about it. But I could be wrong.  Anyway I got check out of this conversation now... Riffworks Software is still the bomb.. So to all the noobs out there it is a great looping tool to record your own ideas.. As far as Rifflink and Riffworld.... We shall see. Expect nothing and you will not be disapointed.

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My statement, although very true, was tongue in cheek. It has already been stated by Sonoma that the old setup bombed out so they brought in the new setup before it was really finished. They also stated that they did this so that at least there was still a version of all the things we all want, Riffworld, Rifflink, Forum etc etc whilst they worked on it. They have also explained that once they looked further into the upgrade they had made date estimations/predictions on, the guy who had programmed it had used incorrect code. I could go on and on but all this stuff can be found here on the forum.

Here's where my tongue in cheek statement may bite, they did offer another choice which was to take everything down whilst they work on it, this is also where my "blind loyalty" kicks in again. They haven't taken it down, particularly the forum, which I've enjoyed as much as the music from day one. Sonoma diplomatically fend off all the crap that is thrown at them and maintain a happy and positive reaction to all this. I'm pretty sure their lives would be a lot easier if this forum didn't exist.

As an aside, nothing to do with this thread really.

For me, any community which says "My community is not much of a community" needs to comprehend that they are the community tongue

Oh Shirtless one, I know you're out there, when are we gonna hear from you ?????? wink

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Everyone remembers how you made them feel.

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"For me, any community which says "My community is not much of a community" needs to comprehend that they are the community"....

Only in part Bill, as your own post very nicely points out, the community takes place here, and if here wasn't here, there certainly wouldn't be a community to be a part of. The point is, that remaining part of that community becomes increasingly difficult when the infrastructure is all messed up. Bit like hospitals been left to decay, schools being chronically underfunded and roads not repaired (or, to put it another way...Britain in a few years time).  Should have added, in the case of infrastructural collapse the community needs to work harder....

The absence of the man with no shirt, might indicate something, but you've probably smoked him out into the open now.

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"Censorship reflects society's lack of confidence in itself.  It is a hallmark of an authoritarian regime." 

"You can cage the singer but not the song."

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As far as I'm concerned Colin, anything, good, bad or indifferent, that keeps this thread running is important as I think we currently have the Sonoma Gangs attention tongue

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Everyone remembers how you made them feel.

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That was the intention Bill. Glad to see we are working towards the same end (never in doubt really). I still can't get the smileys to work sad Whoa, it did, How did I do that?

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"Censorship reflects society's lack of confidence in itself.  It is a hallmark of an authoritarian regime." 

"You can cage the singer but not the song."

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You finally left a space between the last letter and the smiley:)


You finally left a space between the last letter and the smiley smile

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Everyone remembers how you made them feel.

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Words of wisdom from Pooter will not go amiss either tongue

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Everyone remembers how you made them feel.

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I thought the tech support, admins and replies are very healthy. I'm a N00b here and I've not been trolled once by others. I think it's one of the few musical forums where it's healthy and there's always an exchange of information.

I would agree about the plays on the weekend and amount of replies to threads.. although this thread seems to be doing quite well!

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Wedgebill wrote:

...this is also where my "blind loyalty" kicks in again....

Your loyalty is blind but your heart is BIG and that's why we love ya Uncle Bill big_smile

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Perhaps I can get the engineers (both of them), to post updates, and respond to the beta forums better. They are both very busy readying the upcoming free RiffWorks update and the third engineer is working on the new RiffWorld, but I'll see what I can do

Daniel Codella - Sonoma Wire Works Marketing + Artist Relations

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<idea>Outsource Riffworld/Rifflink to a dedicated development team and make US (the users) pay for it. Then, refocus your efforts on improving the software itself</idea>

<imo>No more free lunch. It's too many people and it's turning into Facebook (web 2.0) for musicians. Give the musicians who are willing to pay for a higher quality service a dedicated platform that is fast and stable.</imo>

Is there a market for a pay service here? Will enough of us join to keep it going? Maybe not. Do the market research. It may work! "Free" is expensive!

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geoff_maude wrote:

I thought the tech support, admins and replies are very healthy.

Fair point! I frequent other forums and this is still (BY FAR) the most civil and gracious smile