THE RIFFWORLD CHARTS (Page 3 of 4)

and in much fewer words my Riff Junkie Buddy.
So should I go back to posting Apple Stock quotes?  Whoops their down 8 bucks this morning.

Last edited by Rotund (2010-10-19 07:36:27)

Get rid of the charts and bring back the fun things that promote community involvement. Bring back the RiffRumble contests. Don't need prizes. Give the top three shouted songs a front page spot. Not based on plays but shouts. All you need to do is give us a theme and let us have at it. HI! Jounil, Colin, Trik, Wedge, Mark and everybody else.

I agree with Patrick. Its great to see I am not alone in seeing the charts as more harm than good. And his idea of the top three shouted songs going on the frontpage is excellent.

The site and frontpage need a radical overhaul IMHO. Many things were to be fixed when 2.6 had been done. RiffRumbles among them. And Sonoma commented in the forum about 6 months ago that the charts are open to manipulation and that also would get attention after the 2.6 release. We still await a better system and Patricks would be based on peer review. Thats worth a try.

fooks we agree on a lot but are you messing when you say you love the shouts and nurturing and encouragment in RW? Because I try listen to lots of songs on the riffcaster and to leave plenty of shouts (as do you). We are a minority fooks. Shouts have gone a bit anorexic for/from many users. And they rarely go beyond 'cool song' or 'great'. To improve your music you need your peers to give a little more feedback and regularly, and if all do that it would be a big community improvement IMHO.

And I dont agree that RW is less competitive than TGP, HC, SoundClick etc. We all know the charts are dogged by some people overplaying their own songs to get chart and front page position. That is competition in my eyes, and of the worse sort. Some people think its ok to artificially inflate their songs. Why? Because they want to dominate the 'money shots' of their songs being in charts and out the front of the page. And it works. And until Sonoma restrict users playing their own song as only ever being one play, the charade will continue.

Finally, like you fooks I like it around here and you can make great friends to collaborate with. But I don't think anyone should get misty eyed about the fun to be had. My mate Brillstereodeck was junkie jacked recently,WITHOUT permission. Song then went on to be picked for the front page by Sonoma as an example of a great collab?! Which led to it getting tons of plays,shout and chart position. And Brill knew nothing about it. And got none of the 'reflected glory'. There was no collab Sonoma!! Just a dude taking a song and abusing the copyright of the creator by never telling him about it, before or after the jacking. And Sonoma to date see that as a matter between the two users and that Brill should actually go to the jacker and ask him to amend the credits etc on his cast....

So I say can we not try something else like Patrick has suggested. What is there to lose? I don't predict it will happen but I would love to be wrong

Not having charts would be less work in the end...When I release a song I work hard to promote it during the week.  Through many various websites/friends/relatives/internet radio stations and such.  I know others do the same to promote themselves online, I followed there internet footprints to figure out how they did it and built on that.  Having a consistent internet presence is definitely key in promoting yourself online and getting people to come to Riffworld and click play.  The larger your fan list the more chance you have of getting someone to listen to your tunes.  I don't promote myself for business or delusions of grandeur, I just get a kick out of people hearing the music I create.

Well said fooks. I love you even more now buddy My only final reservation is the way the collective licence can be abused. I won't go on about that here on chart topic - junkie jacking without prior or post permission of the song writer/creator will always be wrong IMHO and it has a separate thread now by Brillstereodeck who was creatively mugged

Well said aswell Ep1TAph. I absolutely love your music and am among your biggest fans. The quality of your own stuff, and those you collab with is top class and I would love to see you guys get picked up and all over the radios and internet. And I would really love to see you guys live It is great the way you promote your stuff across media and that is the way forward. I try a few of those methods incl Facebook but my family and friends don't take any notice of me  

My only reason before for banging on about the charts in the past was to try and shine a light on the things a minority of users do to self promote by blatant overplaying their own stuff. I see the RW frontpage and charts as things that every single user should have an equal right to try get a piece of when their music is of a high standard. Its up to other people to consider if its worth changing the system, and if so how.

Last edited by MacMurphy (2011-02-22 03:32:48)

So you play your song over and over to increase the play count, you make it to the top of the charts - then what?  What do you get for being at the top of the charts? Fame? Fortune? Loose women?  I'm afraid not.  You're still the same sad sack you were yesterday, looking anywhere you can for validation. I wish those people would relax a bit and quit thinking of music as a competition.  I'm reminded of one of my favorite quotes, from Michelle, "playing guitar is fun".

Shouts are good when they're positive, even better when they're constructive.  But there's a thin line between constructive criticism and slamming someone's best effort.  That's why I think most of us don't offer any kind of constructive criticism on a song unless the poster asks for it.  People can be sensitive, and the written word doesn't carry the inflection that your voice would, so it's easy to take something as a slam even if it's not meant to be, especially on the internet.

I agree, bring back the Rumbles, but I still like the idea of gear for prizes   The winner of the Rumble gets free gear, the company who provides said gear gets the word out about their awesome products, more people are turned on to Riffworks, the core of the earth remains liquid, maintaining our magnetic field, everybody wins.

I think the charts are a clever diversionary tactic invented by the Sonoma Gang to stop people complaining about Riffworks

I want to agree aswell with what pooterpatty said. Said it clearer than I ever achieve on this topic.

BTW, there is a noob at no2 in the charts as I type with his virgin cast. 179 plays to 4 shouts which include 1 by himself and one that mentions fraud. Now I ain't Solomon and maybe the guy has lots of friends within the community, or links to his song from other sites. I hope that is what it is.

But if its not that, then all the comments put on this thread by pooter, me and others about people being able to manipulate the charts thereby cheating in an open community of equals are falling on deaf ears. It is so uncool for a user to overuse the play button on their own stuff to self propel towards the frontpage. You might aswell call your cast '2 fingers up your ass buddy'. It does fool some people but not the majority. I used to rail against it more until one user commented to me that '..the chart system is fair because everyone can overplay/cheat so that makes it equal..'. I can't argue with that logic

Instead, I am trying to release a CD for sale by the end of the month of the best songs I can do, with some major help by some other junkies. And no amount of pumping up my songs myself or trying to hog the front Sonoma page will sell 1 copy of it. People (my family and a few friends if I have any, LOL will decide for themselves if the music is any good). Thats fair

So maybe Daniel (who started this thread), could Sonoma take down the charts for a month, try something else, and see who gets most upset by the 'loss' of the charts? Because shouts are becoming a rarer commodity around here, rifflinks are down, and IMHO the community spirit that many of us here want to see getting stronger, is fading every week that a minority urinate over the rest of their colleagues in open view. Oh its equal alright. My hair feels wet patches all over every Sunday evening

Well said pooterpatty. And Bill's point was very good aswell

The charts are an irrelevance. The only thing of importance is to make great music with RW and have a great time doing that with friends. I am around now just over a year and I have made great friends that I can see myself collaborating with for many years. And I am happy to confirm that an RW user is producing/mixing my CD, and we are recording everything via RW.

Rifflinking has not proven to be as stable as i would have liked but we are just getting on with. I appreciate that Rome wasn't built in a day, and without RW I wouldn't have met such great musicians/friends, and I definitely wouldn't be typing this message

The music and friendship is all that matters I ain't a newbie any more so someone else can buy the beers

baz you think the competition is fierce now...

Dont care about the competition I just want Loose women.

http://www.riffworld.com/Members/bazwor … monscollab

There are charts? You gotta look to know; I don't. My guitars are still somewhere near Somalia...