Overloud TH1 v1.1 does not work in RiffWorks v2.5

[dbender]

Problem: I just got Overloud TH1 v1.1 but it does not appear in the amps pop up in RiffWorks. My setup: MacBook 2GHz, Mac OS X 10.4.11.

The TH1 VST is there in the VST folder, but it does not appear in the amps popup in Riffworks. Selecting "Rescan" in the amps popup in Riffworks does nothing.

I note that the TH1 VST gets installed in the VST folder into its own folder named Overloud. Maybe that's the reason for this problem of it not appearing in the amps popup in RiffWorks.

I note that other VSTs I have that get installed similarly, in a folder inside the VST folder, also don't appear in the RiffWorks ams popup. For example, my Nomad Factory brand plugs get installed into a folder in the VST folder named Nomad Factory, but they too don't appear in the RiffWorks ams popup.

I really wanted to use TH1 inside RiffWorks, so this problem really bums me out. And, I sent an email to support here over a week ago, but never got any response, so I'm posting this here now to see it I do get some response to this problem, and to see if other people are having it also.

[dbender]

Any other TH1 users who are having this problem not being able to run it in RiffWorks???

[blue4u]

Did you check under the "other" menu (fly out)? VSTs don't show up in the master list unless they are Line 6, IK Multimedia or one of the others listed by default. There's an "other" menu under the "Amp" checkbox that should list Overloud TH1.

I was able to run it on Windows in demo mode but it was a bit flaky so be warned! Sometimes the graphic interface would smear or disappear altogether and other times the audio would drop out on recording. Good luck getting it to work on Mac though because it's probably the best amp sims out there

[dbender]

Did you check under the "other" menu (fly out)? VSTs don't show up in the master list unless they are Line 6, IK Multimedia or one of the others listed by default. There's an "other" menu under the "Amp" checkbox that should list Overloud TH1.

I was able to run it on Windows in demo mode but it was a bit flaky so be warned! Sometimes the graphic interface would smear or disappear altogether and other times the audio would drop out on recording. Good luck getting it to work on Mac though because it's probably the best amp sims out there

Thanks, man. Right on, I really love this amp sim, so am very bummed to not be able to use it in RiffWorks. : (

Doesn't work that way on the Mac version of RW. There's no such "other" menu under the "Amp" checkbox. There's just that drop down triangle next to the word "Amp" and the accompanying checkbox to the right of the word. The drop down lists VST plugs -- but not Overloud TH1, as I initially reported above here in this thread, or other VST plugs that get installed in their own subfolder inside the VST folder. At the end of the list of that drop down is an option to "Refresh list" which I did, as I initially reported, which does nothing.

It seems to me from my investigation that RiffWorks improperly implements the VST standard, since other VSTs that get installed in their own subfolder in the VST folder (such as TH1 and also the plugs from Nomad Factory) just don't show up at all in the RiffWorks VST plug menu drop down.

Bummer.

And no response from them to this or the support request email I'd sent weeks ago.

Double bummer.

Anyone else? It would be so great to use TH1 in RiffWorks.

[rpinon69]

I don't know if this will help but you mentioned Nomad Factory I bought the Sonic Maximizer plug in and after I installed it I had to move the dll file manually to my vst folder and it showed up in Riffworks.

[blue4u]

Yep. Grab the .dll file from that folder and paste a copy of it inside the common VST folder (where your other plugs are) and that should get ya where you're goin'

[blue4u]

If that doesn't get it down send a support note here: http://www.sonomawireworks.com/support_form.php

[dbender]

Thanks, rpinon69 and blue4u.

I'm on a Mac, which does not use dll's ..... but....... I was able to fix this by, as you guys say, taking the TH1 VST file out of the Overloud subfolder and moving it into the VST folder itself. I tried that initially and it didn't work. TH! did appear in the pop up list but would not load. So I thought it had to be, as it was installed by its installer, inside that Overloud subfolder in the VST folder, but that when locate there RiffWorks couldn't see it.

When I got rpinon69's reply, my initial immediate reaction was that I'm on a Mac so whatever works w/ dll's would not work for my Mac, and, sh*t I tried that already anyway -- angry, irritated reactions. I'm trying these days to be more in the moment and less emotionally reactive, because it is said it blinds you when you're reactive like that, reflexively closed off and irritated. And here it almost did that, 'cause I was not going to try again. But I caught myself just now and instead tried it again, and after a couple of attempts (didn't work right away, so had to stay patient) it worked!

So, I'm sharing the above for both of these lessons, about the music, and the internal, software.

Thanks guys, I'm rockin' out right now w/ TH1 in RiffWorks!

[Wish I knew how to edit this thread's title to add at the end "FIXED"]

[cwight]

I've had the same problem. I can get it to the TH1 to load and get sounds out of it but nothing will record in RW. It's as if the signal path isn't recognised; the RW input meters don't even flicker. I think I was trying to use it as a standalone (but it was some time ago so I can't remember).

[rpinon69]

dbender

I'm glad it eventually worked for you. I didn't know what the file extension is in mac so that's why I refered to it as a dll file, but I figured files and folders work the same way. So why not give it a try it just might work.

Keep rocking

[Wedgebill]

Added fixed for ya mate I think you can also do it, just edit your first post

[dbender]

Added fixed for ya mate I think you can also do it, just edit your first post

Cool! Thanks, guys!

[blue4u]

I'm trying these days to be more in the moment and less emotionally reactive, because it is said it blinds you when you're reactive like that, reflexively closed off and irritated. And here it almost did that, 'cause I was not going to try again. But I caught myself just now and instead tried it again, and after a couple of attempts (didn't work right away, so had to stay patient) it worked!

So, I'm sharing the above for both of these lessons, about the music, and the internal, software.

I can relate to that and it's solid wisdom Less emotional mind, more rational mind. Yeah...the world could use a lil' of that right now

Glad you were able to get this going!

[dbender]

NOT FIXED!!!!!!!


I had a feeling ......

Moving the TH1 vst file from

user/library/audio/vst/overloud/

to

user/library/audio/vst/

1. does allow TH1 to appear in the pop up list in Riffworks, and the TH1 window opens when it is selected from the list, and yes you can play sounds and change presets....... BUT...

2. That's it -- you cannot select modules within TH1 or presets for the modules. You're stuck using the preset's set up as is, and can't change which modules are there and which routing. When you click in TH1 a pop up for a different module or click the preset pop up within a module that's already there in a preset, it just hangs -- endless spinning beachball.

I was concerned that this may be the case, because moving stuff like this interferes with the way instructions inside the program are written to look for things (such as is happening here, i.e., looking for modules or presets for modules).

I even tried copying the TH1 plug back into that Overloud folder inside the VST folder so it was in both places -- the theory being tested was (1) having it inside the VST folder so RiffWorks can see it, and (2) having another copy inside that Overloud subfolder inside the VST folder, so that the plug can look where it expects to find stuff like modules and presets for them. But this too didn't work.

So, it's still NOT FIXED!! Please, Sonoma, Please Fix This! Grrr.....

(And someone please delete "Fixed" from this thread's title -- no, editing the first post did not allow me to do so, I tried that but no go)

[blue4u]

RiffWorks VST support is partial at best! It doesn't support BPM sync and applications without a graphical user interface for example. In a previous version, they did fix a few bugs with Guitar Rig 2 and 3 so, maybe they will fix this in a future release? The way that many of us (Windows users) here have worked around it is using another VST host.

You need to find a proper VST wrapper, host or chainer to run TH1 inside of. This will act as a shell for TH1 and should fix some things. Many folks here have used Chainer or MutltiFxVST but both of these are Windows only. See if you can find a Mac alternative. Shouldn't cost too much. Let us know if that helps you sort it out...

R