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by **tmotech** » Sat Jul 18, 2009 11:58 am

I just found out that someone at sourceforge released drivers for my line6 device (i use guitarport, but the information said it will run toneport also)

I'll post the ubuntugeek forum page as an edit to avoid askemet thinks spam....
(here's my edit) http://www.ubuntugeek.com/howto-install-line6-guitarport-in-ubuntu.html

So, the question now is, can RIFFWORKS run on UBUNTU... or any linux build for that matter?

I saw a forum post under a general search for "linux" which died out in april.... I think someone mentioned they were going to try RIFFWORKS with WINEOS compiler...

ANY LUCK?

I really want to leave windows in the dust. The only thing holding me back is my love of RIFFWORKS!

DISCLAIMER--- Before you read any further...... It appears I am a "thread-killer". The technical question and the extent of my "pre-thank-you" to any future reply on this ends here......

for some reason, I tend to ramble on in my posts, apparently driving people away from what might have been a thriving topic... for this I apologize... but here goes anyways!

PLEASE BE ADVISED, THERE IS MATERIAL OF A SOMEWHAT "NON-TECHNICAL" AND "NON-MUSIC ORIENTED" NATURE BELOW:

Why do I hate windows? I have a 6 year old son who is an extremely advanced learning sponge, techno wiz. To make a long story short, I got rid of IE on my laptop and installed firefox only. When he used my laptop, I set him up with his own user (non administrator) and had an add-on called "Glubble" which only allows him to go to "kid-safe" websites only. My little hacker 6 year old figured out to right-click on the start menu and click properties, then "customize", he could just simply add IE back into the computer! AS SIMPLE AS THAT!! So..... while I thought he was safely browsing the internet, he had hacked around my parental supervision and was browsing YOUTUBE and stuff like that. On top of that, he was able to download a virus through internet explorer, because he has no idea what a trojan horse was, and didn't want the AVG antivirus to send the trojan horse to the vault.... I mean, putting a horse in a vault is pretty harsh thing to do, right? LOL!!!

So as I write this, I am re-installing WINDOWS VISTA, hoping I didn't somehow infect someone else's computer from my "contacts list" or something. Luckily I don't use outlook or any other email client besides GMAIL, so I think everyone I've ever emailed is safe.

If I could, I'd say goodbye to windows forever, if it weren't for my beloved riffworks.....

by **tmotech** » Sat Jul 18, 2009 12:08 pm

here is an older post from may on ubuntu's forum for just getting the guitarport/toneport to work as a basic usb audio device (not running gearbox like the last link above was for)

(I'll post it as an edit because of askemit) here it is http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1163608

by **atalwar** » Sat Jul 18, 2009 3:12 pm

tmotech,
i had a limited success in ubuntu few months back. was able to use podXTL as a soundcard etc.

My source of drivers and info : http://www.tanzband-scream.at/line6/

My plan was to see if i could setup a complete fx Rig in linux and having that entire system serving as one bag A$$ FX processor.

However i couldn't get much time since then to explore it any further.

Can RW run under Linux, theoritically yes, practically dicey unless, some one writes a nice and fast asio wrapper for Linux so asio only apps can function in tandem.

anyone interested in trying out ubuntu and not worrying about messing up windows system should try out the WUBI : http://wubi-installer.org/

by **d3drocks** » Sat Jul 18, 2009 3:52 pm

I've been an avid linux fan for a long time. if anyone is looking into audio production with linux, look into this:
http://ardour.org/

dont be scared by the mac (discusting!) screenshots. its very much a linux project.

Ubuntu studio comes with it preinstalled:
http://ubuntustudio.org/

by **tmotech** » Sat Jul 18, 2009 4:15 pm

hey thanks guys!

yeah, i could give a flyin' f about windows anymore.... I'll be the guinea pig and try to see if I can get RW stable on LINUX. I still have my desktop with windows vista and gearbox, riffworks, etc working just fine..... my laptop is going to go under the knife this weekend and come out with just linux. I'll keep everyone posted

by **tmotech** » Sun Jul 26, 2009 3:35 am

UPDATE: so i am posting here from a linux/windows dual boot hp pavillion duo core 1.8GH. Since I installed ubuntu 9.04 I have only been on windows just to make sure it still works!

I was able to easily install riffworks using Wine in ubuntu. I was able to at least play around with riffworks for a few minutes without any crashing. I installed Reaper without a hitch, also with Wine, and was able to get it to run as well with no crashes.

My problems so far have been with getting my Line6 GuitarPort to work with my system. I followed ,the installation of the line6 drivers and I can see the device and get it to playback test audio. As far as I know, the issue now is with interacting with riffworks as a "wine" application, so wine has to have an ASIO driver for it. I installed WineASIO but I still can't get the input from the connection with Wine and an interface called "Jack" to go into Riffworks or Reaper.

The real deal breaker for me is that the WineASIO "virtual driver" appears to only allow 16 bit as the highest quality. Before the most recent RiffWorks upgrade, I would not have cared! But now, I must have my 32bit RiffWorks at my fingertips...... which means I have to keep Windows - at least for now!!

I think it's pretty cool that I can run the windows based software pretty easily using Wine in Ubuntu. I have yet to really stress it out, but I will try to figure out this WineASIO/Jack connection and see if I can run Reaper or Sony Vegas 8 with VST's like T-Racks3! I'll stress test this ubuntu install to see what it can really handle.

I am also going to start looking for an A/D converter that works with linux out of the box, too! Maybe I can get this stuff to work after-all.

Likin' Linux, whishin' I could ditch Windows.

My RiffWorld · by **bluesydude** » Mon Jul 27, 2009 12:23 pm

I've been following this thread and wanted to thank you for sharing your experiences with us.

by **tmotech** » Mon Jul 27, 2009 2:30 pm

yo BD - thanks! I hope the information is useful. Still trying to get my guitar into linux, but so far too many roadblocks to fully abandon windows when it comes to recording.... everything else I do will be in Ubuntu from now on. The OS is off the hook!

by **atalwar** » Mon Jul 27, 2009 2:42 pm

tmotech,
Did your wineasio work in ubuntu?
in my case rw t4 did installed perfectly but was not detecting asio.

could be due to my podxt though as it has a very strange native samplerate.
i was able to record in ardour through that samplerate though.

by **tmotech** » Mon Jul 27, 2009 3:07 pm

atalwar wrote:tmotech,
Did your wineasio work in ubuntu?
in my case rw t4 did installed perfectly but was not detecting asio.

could be due to my podxt though as it has a very strange native samplerate.
i was able to record in ardour through that samplerate though.

hey I just sent you an email! not sure if that's why you posted - THANKS!

I did get WineASIO to work (set up in Wine showing audio as WineASIO) --

I was able to get Linux to "see" the guitarport after I installed the drivers.

from what I've read, I now need to set up a "bridge" between WineASIO and a Linux audio "interface?" called JACK. I can get WineASIO and Jack to set up a connection. Originally the connection would only stay for about 5 seconds, but after messing with some of the settings, I can get the connection to stay and had it connected for over an hour. The only problem is, that running RW and Reaper (not at the same time) I cannot get any audio input to the software even though it is using the WineASIO connection (which is "bridged" to JACK and Jack is using the guitarport as it's device).......

that's where I stand so far. I will probably have some time on tuesday to mess with it some more

by **tmotech** » Mon Jul 27, 2009 3:20 pm

btw, I have yet to try recording directly to a linux based program such as Ardour or Audacity. I will also try that when I get a chance. That should be much easier because it will be bypassing any "wine" applications and going directly to native linux programs. Even so, I can't live without RWS!!!

by **tmotech** » Tue Jul 28, 2009 7:50 pm

Ok, I have had some success with recording in Linux Ubuntu using a Line6 GuitarPort device! I was able to record in Riffworks with a 4/100th second latency! not bad for running a windows application in a free open source operating system....

Oh, I have to say I am a complete NOOB when it comes to linux. I don't know much about it, but was still able to accomplish this, so I think most anybody can do it. All of the installations and using applications in linux can be done from command line in the terminal. I have no problem using the terminal as long as I can copy and paste the code, being I don't know how to use linux command line yet (well, nothing advanced anyway). For the most part, you can use the "GUI" in ubuntu just like you would use windows, so it's easy to mix the terminal and the gui together. Most of the Ubuntu help forums and walk-thru's use the terminal command line.

Installation of Ubuntu is very easy. I have found a few very good forums with suggestions of all the best multi-media add-on "packages".

What I have been able to do:
install "unsupported" line6 drivers for linux ubuntu (link/instructions at beginning of topic)
install Wine in ubuntu -- allows you to install and run most Windows applications in Ubuntu!
install WineASIO to allow windows applications running in Wine to use an ASIO virtual driver
install Jack Audio Connection Kit in ubuntu
configure Wine to use Jack as it's audio drivers
configure Jack to use the GuitarPort as it's device for input and output
install Riffworks in ubuntu linux using Wine.
install Reaper in ubuntu linux using Wine.
configure both (separately) to use WineASIO as it's ASIO device
record using GuitarPort as an input device into RIFFWORKS STANDARD!!

What I have not yet been able to do:
-Set up GearBox (I only could get dry signal into riffworks - no distortion/effects etc.)
Achieve "zero latency" like I can in Windows. I was getting 46ms latency.... doable
Record at 32bit quality --- WineASIO driver only goes up to 16bit as far as i've found

What I'm going to do next is try to repeat my success with RiffWorks in Reaper, and see if I can use some VST effects to get my guitar/bass sounds I want.

To spare the dry details of installing, configuring etc, If anyone wants a detailed step by step instruction of how to do this, starting from installing Ubuntu 9.04 if needed, I will post it, or email it directly, whatever. I've already made screen-shots of the setup/settings and all that, even showing off some of the wicked desktop effects you can tweak Ubuntu to do!

I'll check back here to see if anyone gives a crap! lol

-chris-

by **bassix** » Thu Aug 27, 2009 5:27 pm

tmotech wrote:btw, I have yet to try recording directly to a linux based program such as Ardour or Audacity. I will also try that when I get a chance. That should be much easier because it will be bypassing any "wine" applications and going directly to native linux programs. Even so, I can't live without RWS!!!

I am able to record in Ubuntu (on an Acer netbook) using my StealthPlug, into Audacity.

A few notes on recording in Audacity with the StealthPlug in Ubuntu:

1. Remember to select the proper input device (StealthPlug).
2. You'll have to set the number of milliseconds delay for syncing overdubbed tracks (I think for me it was 60ms).
3. You have to disable hearing the recording track with the playback tracks or else it will crash.

I can add some more details on these exact settings if anyone wants.

by **tmotech** » Thu Aug 27, 2009 8:51 pm

hey bassix - thanks for the info! I have put this on the side burner for now, as I realized I wasted about 3 days trying to set this up..... 3 days of recording lost.... but I wasn't feeling very inspired at the time anwyay.

I will pick up on this again soon.

Quick question. When you are using the stealth plug in ubuntu, do you know if you were getting 16bit, 24bit, or 32bit recording quality? and was the stealth plug something you installed using WINE as a windows native program or were you able to use it directly in Ubuntu?

thanks

-chris

by **bassix** » Fri Aug 28, 2009 5:05 pm

tmotech wrote:Quick question. When you are using the stealth plug in ubuntu, do you know if you were getting 16bit, 24bit, or 32bit recording quality? and was the stealth plug something you installed using WINE as a windows native program or were you able to use it directly in Ubuntu?

Not sure about the recording quality... I'll have to check.

I just plugged the stealthplug in and voila, it shows up in ubuntu! I was sort of surprised, but happy to see that! I don't think it requires wine (just beer - bad joke).

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