Modeling vs. the "real thing"

[ShredRex]

pod x3 whore!

Shameless aren't i?

The X3 rack looks just killer doesn't it.....comes in bean, pedal and rack from. All of which rock....

Uh there I go again........lol

[pbbobkanobi]

I can attest that the POD XTL is a great sturdy reliable unit on stage. I have played more shows than I can remember and have lugged it half way around the world and it has never once let me down. I also own the POD X3L but I have yet to take it out and get it dirty on the road. It's not that I don't think that it will be as reliable but I just am happy with my live setup and dont want to fix what isn't broken.

I play the POD XTL through a Fender Hot Rod Deville 2x12 60 watt combo and it sounds great. I usually bypass the amps preamp section by plugging directly into the power amp input. This setup works fine if we are playing a large venue with a good sound system. If I need my little amp to fill a room all by itself I use the amp's preamp for that extra boost to cut through the mix. Sure it colors the sound slightly but not enough to matter to most people. I have had a bunch a fellow musicians and non-musicians compliment me on my live tone and most have no clue that I am using modeling software to produce 95% of my tone.

All of the songs I have posted to RiffCaster over the past 8 months or so are made with the POD X3L and all of my older songs were made with the POD XTL. Not really a whole bunch of difference but it is there if you listen for it....dual tones baby! Overall I am head over heels in love with my POD's.

If you click on the Pau Hana myspace link below you can hear some of the trracks off our Island Lion CD. All tracks by me were recorded with the POD XTL directly into our studio PC via Sonar. Even some of Geoege "Sandman" Slayter's tracks were done with the POD.

[strat]

I dont give a damm..as long as it sounds good to my earholes...

[lostylost]

Having never actually played a tube amp, I would really be interested to `feel` one out, as it's the `feel` most of the old diehards complain about. They generally confess that the recorded sound is adequate but the modelers lack the dynamic response.

How much of a factor is rarity and inimitability in the evaluation of a `sound` or `tone`?

Interesting thought: David Gilmour using a Variax and a Pod.

Could he get that same rarefied tone? Come up with tones as equally compelling?
Not sure about the first but I'm pretty sure the answer to the second question is `OF COURSE!`.

[blue4u]

Thanks for the good discussion guys! Lots of passionate feedback. We're all "preaching to the choir" though (of course)! I highly doubt you're gonna find a "tube snob" around here. That said, a tube amp cranked and in your face has it's own beauty that I sometimes miss. It's not that I CAN'T get that tone in a recording using modeling technology....it's simply that I'm not getting the sheer volume and 3-dimensional quality of a tube amp at full throtle. It's a VERY different feeling to play in front of that as many of you know. However...while I post this, my Vox amp sits in the back of the room collecting dust so, there ya go! Case closed for me I guess.

Back to POD Farm

[GuitarSlinger]

Having never actually played a tube amp, I would really be interested to `feel` one out, as it's the `feel` most of the old diehards complain about. They generally confess that the recorded sound is adequate but the modelers lack the dynamic response.

How much of a factor is rarity and inimitability in the evaluation of a `sound` or `tone`?

Interesting thought: David Gilmour using a Variax and a Pod.

Could he get that same rarefied tone? Come up with tones as equally compelling?
Not sure about the first but I'm pretty sure the answer to the second question is `OF COURSE!`.

Umm Jeff Beck recorded an album with the Pod. The tone is there, but the guitar and the player is a huge part of it. There are certainly things a Pod can not do because they don't model every piece of gear that exists. 78 amps is a pretty good start though.

[lostylost]

>> Jeff Beck recorded an album with the Pod

Interesting

[GuitarSlinger]

I may have spewed from the mouth a bit or just bad memory, I've been known to do that sorry. Jeff says this:

"What gear did you use on the new record?

I used a Line 6 POD on the demos. Some of that saw its way through to the final thing, because the sound of it was good and I thought, “I ain’t going to do that solo again!” But it was a mixture of a Marshall JCM2000 DSL head with one 4x12 cab and a Line 6 2x12 combo.

A modeling amp?

Yeah. I was surprised. People went, “Line 6? What’s that?” And I said, “Hey, you didn’t complain about the sounds.” I don’t remember the model, but it’s a fine amp. It enabled me to experiment with a lot of different textures without changing amps or plugging other things in. I also used the onboard effects."

[blue4u]

People went, “Line 6? What’s that?” And I said, “Hey, you didn’t complain about the sounds.”

Exactly!!! Tube amps will have a place in live setups for a while to come but we're probably hearing more modeling amps on records, TV and movies than we realize!

[troy2006]

blue 4 you I couldnt agree more. I had the same type of discovery by turning down the drive especially, on the marshalls sim.My pod xt live is the greatest thing in the world to me I dont even have to have a gear box to use riffworks or I can plug into anything with inputs or a cubase and use both outputs to run stereo. or even a couple of desk top speakers . so if I want to bring my pod anywhere i go i can plug it right in and jam. I SPENT ALOT OF TIME DIALING IN SOUNDS so much that the 128 banks is not enough I want more. I dont like give up any bank I have came up with. I HAVE USED TEC HEAD IN GUITAR PLAYER MAG AND USED SOME OF THE PRESETS AND IT IS SUCH A GREAT STARTING POINT ITS ALSO ALOT OF FUN when you have all the modles of the equiptment that a guitar player uses you can get awfully darn close.

[strat]

Whats this chart topper thing...i got one that says i won a contest??? i didnt enter no stinking contest.....wheres my prize..lol..

[troy2006]

i dont know either i just got one today myself

[Helipeli]

check out the videos at times .... it is a better bet what sounds
the result in part 3 shows that it is a matter of taste.

http://www.musotalk.de/special/detailansicht/article/das-gitarrenduell-teil-1/

http://www.musotalk.de/special/detailansicht/article/das-gitarrenduell-teil-2/

http://www.musotalk.de/special/detailansicht/article/das-gitarrenduell-teil-3/

[Helipeli]

Here is a test Orange Thiny Terror vs Guitar Rig 3

http://www.musotalk.de/angeklickt/detailansicht/article/guitar-rig-3/

[troy2006]

Shred X I Have An Xt Live And I Have Xtra Modles And I Would Have To Say That It Has Alot To Do With Dialing In The Tone I Get Great Sound. The X3 Is Probably Better But I Have Alot Of Fun And Enough To Work With. I Would Have Went For The X3 But It Wasnt Out Yet So Ill Be Happy I Get Enough Good Sound.