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Postby blue4u » Wed Jun 03, 2009 3:29 pm

atalwar wrote:Just To check, i tried a high quality firewire interface from a vocalist friend and the difference was Depressing.

This is why I saved my pennies and stepped up to this: http://www.rme-audio.com/english/firewire/ff800.htm

It works brilliantly, sounds amazing and was WELL WORTH the investment for higher quality A/D/A and audio clarity. Got a deal on eBay for right around a $1000/US. I can appreciate that not everyone will find it worth it to throw down THAT much money. My Line 6 Guitar Port is now a dongle for POD Farm sounds. I'm happy :)
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Postby atalwar » Wed Jun 03, 2009 3:43 pm

bjabus wrote:atalwar, could you give us some suggestions of good multi effects pedals with good a/d d/a converters? I use the podxt live but notice that some of the heavier tones sound a little thin or compressed in general. That may also be due to about a zillion other things that I may not be doing right. :) In the never ending quest for perfect tone, I am always looking for something better... Bryan

Bryan,

I am really not qualified enough on multi-pedals but axe-fx is currently the champion and rigtly so,comes with a big price, and if i could afford it here, it would be sitting next to me ;).

as for good recording interface i am hunting for a good interface for myself now since i found the issue with the podxt by accident (while making it work in linux).

Also some of my issues could be power related too as running pod on (220v->110v) Xfmer
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Postby atalwar » Wed Jun 03, 2009 3:48 pm

blue4u wrote:
atalwar wrote:Just To check, i tried a high quality firewire interface from a vocalist friend and the difference was Depressing.

This is why I saved my pennies and stepped up to this: http://www.rme-audio.com/english/firewire/ff800.htm

It works brilliantly, sounds amazing and was WELL WORTH the investment for higher quality A/D/A and audio clarity. Got a deal on eBay for right around a $1000/US. I can appreciate that not everyone will find it worth it to throw down THAT much money. My Line 6 Guitar Port is now a dongle for POD Farm sounds. I'm happy :)

Rich,
That's some killer I/O you got going out there! :)
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Postby yahsteck1 » Wed Jun 03, 2009 4:42 pm

Would one sugest the X3 over the Vetta. I have had a Vetta for about 5 years or so and i still am not satified with it ..yet it has incredable capibilitys... just cant get the tone i like...seems to be muddy what ever i do however the cleans are excelent. I'm actualy looking into the Line 6 Bogner... any sugestions guys?
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Postby rpinon69 » Wed Jun 03, 2009 4:49 pm

Just curious while we are on the subject. In your all's opinion where does the Line 6 UX2 rank as a recording interface(AD converters etc.....).

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Postby cwight » Wed Jun 03, 2009 5:24 pm

Amit/Rich, I've often thought my guitarport tones are lacking in something and a bit muddy, and it's one of the early early ones. What I'm reading here is that I might get better results with the X3 or something else; is that right. Anyone know how the Toneport Studio UX2 stacks up in terms of performance?
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Postby rpinon69 » Wed Jun 03, 2009 5:26 pm

cwight wrote:Amit/Rich, I've often thought my guitarport tones are lacking in something and a bit muddy, and it's one of the early early ones. What I'm reading here is that I might get better results with the X3 or something else; is that right. Anyone know how the Toneport Studio UX2 stacks up in terms of performance?

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Postby Wedgebill » Wed Jun 03, 2009 5:35 pm

Toneport UX2 is excellent but I say that because I use it for vocals and keyboard a lot as well as guitar, if I was more of a guitar orientated guy I think I'd have to get shot of my UX2 and Pod XTL and get an X3. I'd say you're an X3 kinda guy Colin, get yer wallet out mate :P
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Postby atalwar » Wed Jun 03, 2009 5:58 pm

rpinon69, for home recordings it should be fine, though keep in mind that it's a mass produced budget consumer level interface for home audio/studio use mostly so it's quality /noise ratios / dynamic range will be not the same as pro level modules , simply because of quality of components used.

also Note that riffworks only records at 44100 Hz so as long as your interface supports 44100 NATIVELY you should be fine.

Here are some specs from Line6 :

For X3, the hardware always runs at 48000 Hz, 24 bit

means? when using riffworks, it will always downsample to 44100 through conversion, so there will be some quality loss, audible or not that only ears can decide.

For toneport users :
Sample Rate Converter:
TonePorts support 44.1 and 48 kHz sample rates natively. Some TonePorts also support 88 and 96 kHz sample rates by way of an "internal sample rate converter". This indicator lights up to show you when this converter is active, which can be any time your ASIO software is requesting a different sample rate than what your device “natively” supports. TonePort UX8 supports 44.1, 48, 88.2 and 96 kHz sample rates natively, meaning that these sample rates are not converted.

Menaing : You should use either 44.1 Khz or 48Khz on toneport for your Daws. that will not engage sample rate conversion.

for podxt , it's native sample rate is so low(39062.5 Hz) or 39.0625 Khz, 39062 Hz or 39063 Hz depending on where you round it off, that it always gets up-sampled, meaning it's trying you give out more resolution (by approximation) than it originally captured.

Frequency bandwidth is one of the big reasons why pro level modules are give native sample-rates up to 192 Khz . But i won't go into gory details of nyquist laws of sampling etc. ;)
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Postby atalwar » Wed Jun 03, 2009 6:27 pm

I am gearing my self to get a presonus firebox or something decent close to $300-$400 range with semi/low-pro quality components but i have to get a new guitar First. ;(
btw i am also thinking on buying overloud th1 in near future.
www.overloud.com

Do demo it. It got some really serious tone. but would like a review from some of you guys.
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Postby GuitarSlinger » Wed Jun 03, 2009 6:27 pm

You would still need an interface with an Axe-FX, it doesn't record via USB like a Toneport. It does have spdif digital I/O so that would be the optimal way of recording it.

I'd like to have one.
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Postby cwight » Wed Jun 03, 2009 6:47 pm

Wedgebill wrote:Toneport UX2 is excellent but I say that because I use it for vocals and keyboard a lot as well as guitar, if I was more of a guitar orientated guy I think I'd have to get shot of my UX2 and Pod XTL and get an X3. I'd say you're an X3 kinda guy Colin, get yer wallet out mate :P

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Postby kwjolin » Wed Jun 03, 2009 11:02 pm

Thanks Atalwar! Your knowledge is awesome help.

I think the POD X3L will do fine for me, I'm no pro when it comes to recording, mostly just f'n around having fun. So pro quality isn't a huge issue for me. I was considering an POD XTL, but now I think the extra $100 or so is def. worth it.

I really just want something that will give me tones/effects while playing live or practicing with a drummer.

I've been playing alone and recording on my computer with Riffworks and gearbox for the past while, and have gotten much better as a player.
So I got together with my drummer from a past band hoping to rip it up. Then realized I don't have anyway to recreate live what I do with Riffworks.
Oh well.................X3 soon.......................i hope.....

Speaking of drumming, check out my drummer playing Contractor by Lamb of God!

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Postby rpinon69 » Wed Jun 03, 2009 11:05 pm

Thanks Atalwar and everyone for your input.
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Postby lostylost » Thu Jun 04, 2009 8:57 am

Losty wants an AXE-FX and an AXON-100 midi controller, plus ghostech midi-piezo-acoustic setup on some shmicko guitar. Most important of all, he wants the time to play it.
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