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by **Lickman** » Mon Nov 16, 2009 12:18 am

This is why I was expressing my concerns about Sonoma using the Creative Commons agreement on riffcaster posts.

Here it is. Read all about it.

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/09/24/creative_commons_deception/

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This edit is to give the official Sonoma Wire Works response to this thread. Our website terms of use is found on every page of our site except these forums because they have not been skinned yet.

http://www.sonomawireworks.com/websitetermsofuse.php

This article, http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/09/24/creative_commons_deception/, refers to a license that Flickr is using or did use that allowed for commercial use. Our license is the Creative Commons Attribution-Noncommercial Share Alike license (http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/3.0/), which allows you to copy, distribute, and transmit the work, and to adapt, remix, add to and create derivative works for noncommercial purposes.

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by **d3drocks** » Mon Nov 16, 2009 3:45 am

Lickman wrote:This is why I was expressing my concerns about Sonoma using the Creative Commons agreement on riffcaster posts.

Here it is. Read all about it.

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/09/24/creative_commons_deception/

Im not sure you understand how creative commons works. there is a version of creative commons which forces no dirivitave works, and non commercial use only (or the combination of both). when uploading photos to that website, they were only agreeing to the creative commons share alike.

and yes, it seems sonomawireworks supports the same license as flikr. I highly suggest everyone remove ALL of their songs from riffworld right away, and never upload to the site ever again. (im doing this right now with my profile)

EDIT: if you've done covers of songs, they are ok to keep on riffworld, as YOU are not using them for commercial purposes. if a company snags your cover, they will be sued, and have to pay the royalties.

by **lostylost** » Mon Nov 16, 2009 4:24 am

and yes, it seems sonomawireworks supports the same license as flikr. I highly suggest everyone remove ALL of their songs from riffworld right away, and never upload to the site ever again. (im doing this right now with my profile)

Hahaha. Not my precious masterpieces no! They can't steal them from me! It's all I have...

by **d3drocks** » Mon Nov 16, 2009 5:02 am

Les wrote:Yeah, Me too,I'm gonna pull all my music off of this site because their stealing my money right out from under me.

WHAT MONEY ? Steal it from me and let them get paid, THEN you'll have a case, Otherwise ...........Shut Up.

Has anyone caught Sonoma Wireworks stealing songs? No? Do yourself and your family a favor and contact your local

state and federal representative and see what you can do about them screwing you right now, That is where the fight is.

Not Here.

you agreed to the creative commons license by uploading. btw, sonoma says "creative commons - share music". that license doesnt actually exsist by name. http://creativecommons.org/choose/music
they sonoma actually doesnt spesify at all which parts of the license they are using.
pull your music right now

My Riffworld · by **GuitarSlinger** » Mon Nov 16, 2009 5:34 am

I'll read the link later. But I have duplicates of my better stuff on soundclick and on there I specifically stated that no deritavive works or commercial uses can be done without my permission. I doubt anybody is stealing my stuff though. If they were I'd equate that with winning the lottery, as I would sue their butts.

by **d3drocks** » Mon Nov 16, 2009 5:35 am

Les wrote:Nah, I'm cool......Running in fear of the unknown will run you right into the trap and that is the problem, You run in fear.

ok, but know that they are a corporation, and in general, you cant trust corporate entities, because they can be easily taken over. notice how IK does alot of distributing for sonoma stuff? howd you like your music to be bundled with one of their products as an example, or one of your songs used on their webpage without your permission, and no royalties paid? this could easily happen, untill sonoma spesifies what license they are using, and gives us a written promise, in the form of the standard end user license agreement that they will not use user uploaded music for commercial gain, including but not limited to advertizing, promotional material, bundeled example work.

GuitarSlinger wrote:I'll read the link later. But I have duplicates of my better stuff on soundclick and on there I specifically stated that no deritavive works or commercial uses can be done without my permission. I doubt anybody is stealing my stuff though. If they were I'd equate that with winning the lottery, as I would sue their butts.

the thing is tho that soundclick has a very opposit end user agreement. it basically says that your work is yours, and they want nothing to do with it, including any legal issues and rights that come from the work you upload to their site.
riffworld unfortunately doesnt say anything of the likes.

by **Wedgebill** » Mon Nov 16, 2009 6:22 am

For me, posting to Riffworld is fun so my stuff will be there indefinitely.

Anyone who thinks they're gonna get rich and famous from their music shouldn't be putting it in the public domain anywhere and I find the implication that Sonoma might steal it quite laughable IMHO. They might not find it quite as laughable though.

by **mickeymix** » Mon Nov 16, 2009 6:30 am

Man ....some folks can suck the fun out of anything!

by **d3drocks** » Mon Nov 16, 2009 7:15 am

Wedgebill wrote: I find the implication that Sonoma might steal it quite laughable IMHO. They might not find it quite as laughable though.

thats quite closed minded, isnt it? have you ever read the most general creative commons license? I think not. I have.
basically, everythign u make, someone else can use for profit. if I wanted, I could snag one of your songs, credit u, and put it on any album I happen to release, and pay no royalties what so ever to you. <- that would be completely legal.

mickeymix wrote::lol: Man ....some folks can suck the fun out of anything!

if your talking about people who have a legal background, then yeah lol

Les wrote:Yeah Mick, So true, Propaganda BS ..........Lets have some fun!

definately not propaganda, and definately NOT BS. go read the creative commons license. I always figured riffworld used the noncommercial one, but after doing some research, it seems not. seems alot of you guys dont exactly know what your dealing with, when it comes to legal issues.

My Riffworld · by **GuitarSlinger** » Mon Nov 16, 2009 7:20 am

Soundclick gives you the option of a paid liscense too, and the option to pay royalties for covers, or to use the awesome creative commons liscense. Riffworld is what it is, if you wanna keep your music for yourself then by all means don't post it or let anyone hear it.

by **d3drocks** » Mon Nov 16, 2009 7:21 am

GuitarSlinger wrote:Soundclick gives you the option of a paid liscense too, and the option to pay royalties for covers, or to use the awesome creative commons liscense. Riffworld is what it is, if you wanna keep your music for yourself then by all means don't post it or let anyone hear it.

just a note, soundclick charges a % of that fee, but I think thats completely fair cause their service is free. soundclick is definately the way to go. also, reverbnation isnt bad either.

by **mickeymix** » Mon Nov 16, 2009 7:25 am

d3drocks wrote:just a note, soundclick charges a % of that fee, but I think thats completely fair cause their service is free. soundclick is definately the way to go. also, reverbnation isnt bad either.

I have a Soundclick and a Reverb Nation account and as I said....some folks SUCK the fun out of it all!

by **d3drocks** » Mon Nov 16, 2009 7:41 am

mickeymix wrote:
d3drocks wrote:just a note, soundclick charges a % of that fee, but I think thats completely fair cause their service is free. soundclick is definately the way to go. also, reverbnation isnt bad either.

I have a Soundclick and a Reverb Nation account and as I said....some folks SUCK the fun out of it all!

I dont see how explaining the legal crap in simple terms sucks fun out of things honestly.

by **atalwar** » Mon Nov 16, 2009 7:52 am

when you legailze the fun, it ain't fun, but just crap i guess.

by **mickeymix** » Mon Nov 16, 2009 8:09 am

Les wrote:Hi Chris, The thing about making music is supposed to be uninhibited,free from all outside BS like creative commons liscence
ect.... Your jamming my freaking mojo with the BS .Thats what sucks the life out of every jam known to man. I dont think you have a clue about music. "I dont see how explaining the legal crap in simple terms sucks fun out of things honestly." is what you just said. Some people just dont get it ....and that would be you Chris.It goes way beyond math and science and especially politics ..It's spiritual if you will. It's not a thing, It's a state of mind and spirit when your playing an instrument.
Thanks Chris because I see how blessed I am to understand this and some folks cannot,they call that a gift.

That's what I'm talking about.....go Les GO!

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